Conclusions drawn from historical market analysis

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Conclusions drawn from historical market analysis pbull 05-18-2007
Posted by pbull on May 18, 2007, 12:25 pm
I think this has a major relevance to strategies employed by large
market players today and is an underlying part of market psychology.

One thing really strikes me when looking at ETF history and stocks:
the American markets have been so strong in the last quarter century,
that if you base your technique (and computer software) on this recent
"relevant" information then the only strategy that makes sense is to
buy the dips and never to sell! I've tried many other approaches in
back testing, but I'm finding I really can't blame them for adhering
to buy the dips, as it is hard to justify anything else as a long term
investment approach ... but that's if you only look at the last
quarter century.

This shouldn't really be a surprise, since with the exception of
2001-2002, the US market has had amazing (historically unprecedented)
performance in the last 20 years or so. And I doubt that anyone looks
before the 90s since that's when Sir Alan Greenspan brought his new
brand of monetary policy. Greenspan-style central banking has become
associated with markets that only go up, therefore, with Bernanke at
the helm everyone assumes markets can only keep going up. (This isn't
Volcker and the 80s).

Is there anyone working in the financial industry today who is old
enough to have lived and traded through the turbulance of the 70s and
80s (prolonged bear markets)? A quick calculation shows that the only
people old enough to have experienced that back in their professional
days are now over 60 years old - obviously there are few people in
their 60s working in the industry today. Especially in the current
hot areas like computerized trading algorithms including derivatives!
That's where my 20-something friends are employed.

In summary: anybody looking at historical market data, who ignores pre-
Greenspan era, naturally arrives at the conclusion that markets can
only go up and that assets never deflate. Furthermore, the only
financial professionals who experienced inflation/stagflation and bear
market in the 70s/80s have now retired and no longer influence the
strategies of large market participants such as banks and hedge
funds. Conclusion: the financial industry today is making zero
provisions for declining markets. There is no expectation of a bear
market or deflation, and there are no plans in place to handle such a
condition.

What happens in software when you encounter a condition for which
there is no provision?


Posted by Jerry on May 18, 2007, 3:37 pm
ETFs and mutual funds have a turnover rate - some over 100%. One can always
make more bucks by buying low and selling high versus buying and holding
forever IMO.

Jerry
>I think this has a major relevance to strategies employed by large
> market players today and is an underlying part of market psychology.
>
> One thing really strikes me when looking at ETF history and stocks:
> the American markets have been so strong in the last quarter century,
> that if you base your technique (and computer software) on this recent
> "relevant" information then the only strategy that makes sense is to
> buy the dips and never to sell! I've tried many other approaches in
> back testing, but I'm finding I really can't blame them for adhering
> to buy the dips, as it is hard to justify anything else as a long term
> investment approach ... but that's if you only look at the last
> quarter century.
>
> This shouldn't really be a surprise, since with the exception of
> 2001-2002, the US market has had amazing (historically unprecedented)
> performance in the last 20 years or so. And I doubt that anyone looks
> before the 90s since that's when Sir Alan Greenspan brought his new
> brand of monetary policy. Greenspan-style central banking has become
> associated with markets that only go up, therefore, with Bernanke at
> the helm everyone assumes markets can only keep going up. (This isn't
> Volcker and the 80s).
>
> Is there anyone working in the financial industry today who is old
> enough to have lived and traded through the turbulance of the 70s and
> 80s (prolonged bear markets)? A quick calculation shows that the only
> people old enough to have experienced that back in their professional
> days are now over 60 years old - obviously there are few people in
> their 60s working in the industry today. Especially in the current
> hot areas like computerized trading algorithms including derivatives!
> That's where my 20-something friends are employed.
>
> In summary: anybody looking at historical market data, who ignores pre-
> Greenspan era, naturally arrives at the conclusion that markets can
> only go up and that assets never deflate. Furthermore, the only
> financial professionals who experienced inflation/stagflation and bear
> market in the 70s/80s have now retired and no longer influence the
> strategies of large market participants such as banks and hedge
> funds. Conclusion: the financial industry today is making zero
> provisions for declining markets. There is no expectation of a bear
> market or deflation, and there are no plans in place to handle such a
> condition.
>
> What happens in software when you encounter a condition for which
> there is no provision?
>


Posted by Herb on May 18, 2007, 4:04 pm

> ETFs and mutual funds have a turnover rate - some over 100%. One can
always
> make more bucks by buying low and selling high versus buying and holding
> forever IMO.
>
> Jerry

Jerry:

As the Dow lurches from new record to new record, I find myself wondering
how and when people like you decide to 'sell high.'

-herb



Posted by Ed on May 18, 2007, 4:45 pm

>
>> ETFs and mutual funds have a turnover rate - some over 100%. One can
> always
>> make more bucks by buying low and selling high versus buying and holding
>> forever IMO.
>>
>> Jerry
>
> Jerry:
>
> As the Dow lurches from new record to new record, I find myself wondering
> how and when people like you decide to 'sell high.'
>
> -herb

Keep wondering. You're hopeless, no one can help you.



Posted by ynotssor on May 18, 2007, 5:24 pm

>> ETFs and mutual funds have a turnover rate - some over 100%. One
>> can always make more bucks by buying low and selling high versus
>> buying and holding forever IMO.
>
> As the Dow lurches from new record to new record, I find myself
> wondering how and when people like you decide to 'sell high.'

A market rarely ever goes "straight up", so the technique (difficult though
it may be) is to take profit and re-enter at a lower price for another
higher swing if the instrument being traded is deemed capable of it. "high"
and "low" are functionally relative terms, not absolutes until hindsight
sets in.


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