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Money market funds for our business AsymF 06-02-2008
Posted by AsymF on June 2, 2008, 5:29 pm
We are trying to find a good place to invest around $30 - 50K a month
that has to stay pretty liquid in money that we have available.
Currently it is in an E*TRADE business checking account earning 3%
interest approximately.

We have been looking at Money Market Funds (not MMAs) to put this
money into but I haven't been able to figure out how to go about
purchasing them and would especially like it if we could find some
that are tax free on the interest earned.

I checked http://www.bankrate.com/brm/rate/mmmf_home.asp but they only
show MMA rates that I could find. Am I missing something obvious here?

Can anyone make some suggestions on MMFs to purchase and where to
purchase them?

Posted by Andrew Koenig on June 2, 2008, 5:40 pm

> We are trying to find a good place to invest around $30 - 50K a month
> that has to stay pretty liquid in money that we have available.
> Currently it is in an E*TRADE business checking account earning 3%
> interest approximately.

You may have trouble doing much better than that.

> We have been looking at Money Market Funds (not MMAs) to put this
> money into but I haven't been able to figure out how to go about
> purchasing them and would especially like it if we could find some
> that are tax free on the interest earned.

What state are you in? I think most of the mutual-fund companies offer
money-market accounts, some of which are tax-free in particular states. For
example, Vanguard offers taxable money-market funds and also funds that are
tax-free in New York, California, New Jersey, Ohio, or Pennsylvania.
However, the current yield of the taxable funds is in the 2.2% range and the
tax-exempt ones are in the 1.7% range.

So if you're really getting 3% in a checking account, you might want to
leave it there. But do check that that's really the rate.




Posted by AsymF on June 2, 2008, 6:01 pm
>
>
> > We are trying to find a good place to invest around $30 - 50K a month
> > that has to stay pretty liquid in money that we have available.
> > Currently it is in an E*TRADE business checking account earning 3%
> > interest approximately.
>
> You may have trouble doing much better than that.
>
> > We have been looking at Money Market Funds (not MMAs) to put this
> > money into but I haven't been able to figure out how to go about
> > purchasing them and would especially like it if we could find some
> > that are tax free on the interest earned.
>
> What state are you in? I think most of the mutual-fund companies offer
> money-market accounts, some of which are tax-free in particular states. For
> example, Vanguard offers taxable money-market funds and also funds that are
> tax-free in New York, California, New Jersey, Ohio, or Pennsylvania.
> However, the current yield of the taxable funds is in the 2.2% range and the
> tax-exempt ones are in the 1.7% range.
>
> So if you're really getting 3% in a checking account, you might want to
> leave it there. But do check that that's really the rate.

Located in NC.

Yes, it is an E*TRADE Complete Savings account.

Posted by Mark Freeland on June 3, 2008, 9:24 am
>>
>>
>> > We are trying to find a good place to invest around $30 - 50K a month
>> > that has to stay pretty liquid in money that we have available.
>> > Currently it is in an E*TRADE business checking account earning 3%
>> > interest approximately.

Is it really their checking account? (See below, where you say it is a
savings account.) Reason for question: their checking account currently
pays more (3.25%) than their savings account (3.15%).
https://us.etrade.com/e/t/banking

>> You may have trouble doing much better than that.
>> [...]
>> [T]he current yield of the taxable funds is in the 2.2% range and the
>> tax-exempt ones are in the 1.7% range.
>>
>> So if you're really getting 3% in a checking account, you might want to
>> leave it there. But do check that that's really the rate.

Top MMF rates, from iMoneyNet show somewhat higher yields, but still well
below what you're doing with the bank. About 2.7% taxable, 2%+ muni.
http://www.imoneynet.com/retail-money-funds/index.aspx

> Located in NC.
>
> Yes, it is an E*TRADE Complete Savings account.

Note that savings accounts, while generally liquid, do come with
restrictions. No more than 6 third party payments per month (that includes
checks, phone transfers, online transfers, bill pay). Bank has right to
hold your money up to seven days. Checking accounts are much less
restricted. Probably doesn't matter, but since you mentioned liquidity for
business account, I felt it worth mentioning.

If you're putting $30K/month into an account (i.e. building at that rate),
then you need to be concerned with the safety of your money. FDIC insurance
typically covers only $100K.
http://www.fdic.gov/deposit/deposits/insuringdeposits/index.html

For large amounts, I am more comfortable with MMFs than with banks. Banks
can and do fail, and you can easily lose money if you've got more than $100K
in a bank. MMFs, while not insured, have been supported by the fund family,
because the fund family has too much at stake to let the value drop under $1
("break a buck"). So I'm comfortable putting more than $100K into a MMF
like Dreyfus or Fidelity (they have some of the top paying funds right now,
according to iMoneyNet). Otherwise, you might split the money across
multiple banks so that it is all insured.

Mark Freeland
nNeEwTs@nyc.rr.com



Posted by AsymF on June 3, 2008, 7:28 pm
>
>
>
>
> >> > We are trying to find a good place to invest around $30 - 50K a month
> >> > that has to stay pretty liquid in money that we have available.
> >> > Currently it is in an E*TRADE business checking account earning 3%
> >> > interest approximately.
>
> Is it really their checking account? (See below, where you say it is a
> savings account.) Reason for question: their checking account currently
> pays more (3.25%) than their savings account
(3.15%).https://us.etrade.com/e/t/banking
>
> >> You may have trouble doing much better than that.
> >> [...]
> >> [T]he current yield of the taxable funds is in the 2.2% range and the
> >> tax-exempt ones are in the 1.7% range.
>
> >> So if you're really getting 3% in a checking account, you might want to
> >> leave it there. But do check that that's really the rate.
>
> Top MMF rates, from iMoneyNet show somewhat higher yields, but still well
> below what you're doing with the bank. About 2.7% taxable, 2%+
muni.http://www.imoneynet.com/retail-money-funds/index.aspx
>
> > Located in NC.
>
> > Yes, it is an E*TRADE Complete Savings account.
>
> Note that savings accounts, while generally liquid, do come with
> restrictions. No more than 6 third party payments per month (that includes
> checks, phone transfers, online transfers, bill pay). Bank has right to
> hold your money up to seven days. Checking accounts are much less
> restricted. Probably doesn't matter, but since you mentioned liquidity for
> business account, I felt it worth mentioning.
>
> If you're putting $30K/month into an account (i.e. building at that rate),
> then you need to be concerned with the safety of your money. FDIC insurance
> typically covers only
$100K.http://www.fdic.gov/deposit/deposits/insuringdeposits/index.html
>
> For large amounts, I am more comfortable with MMFs than with banks. Banks
> can and do fail, and you can easily lose money if you've got more than $100K
> in a bank. MMFs, while not insured, have been supported by the fund family,
> because the fund family has too much at stake to let the value drop under $1
> ("break a buck"). So I'm comfortable putting more than $100K into a MMF
> like Dreyfus or Fidelity (they have some of the top paying funds right now,
> according to iMoneyNet). Otherwise, you might split the money across
> multiple banks so that it is all insured.
>
> Mark Freeland
> nNeE...@nyc.rr.com

Yes, sorry, meant "savings" not "checking". Regrettably E*TRADE does
not allow corporations to hold an interest checking account or we
would have done that as opposed to a savings account. Wish we could
find a corporate checking account with that kind of savings accounting
beating interest!

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