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DODIX WeathermanBill 06-09-2008
---> Re: DODIX Steven L.06-09-2008
|   ---> Re: DODIX WeathermanBill06-11-2008
|     `--> Re: DODIX Steven L.06-12-2008
`--> Re: DODIX Flasherly06-10-2008
Posted by WeathermanBill on June 9, 2008, 10:17 pm
Interested in Dodge and Cox Income (DODIX) so started my research at
their site and found the following holdings:
https://www.dodgeandcox.com/pdf/shareholder_reports/dc_income_holdings_033108.pdf

Concerned about the GSE holdings (Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae) as I heard
that both have eased restrictions on home loans. So researched:
http://www.ofheo.gov/newsroom.aspx?ID=422&q1=0&q2=0
The regularatory agency.

Also read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortgage-backed_security

Really hesitant about putting money into DODIX due to exposure to GSE
bonds. Are these bonds that the GSEs used to raise capital?? Are
these mortgage baked bonds??? What I am trying to determine is what
is the risk I am looking at if I buy this fund.

This is money my wife and I will need in 10-12 years.

Weathermanbill

Posted by Steven L. on June 9, 2008, 10:00 pm
WeathermanBill wrote:
> Interested in Dodge and Cox Income (DODIX) so started my research at
> their site and found the following holdings:
>
https://www.dodgeandcox.com/pdf/shareholder_reports/dc_income_holdings_033108.pdf
>
> Concerned about the GSE holdings (Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae) as I heard
> that both have eased restrictions on home loans. So researched:
> http://www.ofheo.gov/newsroom.aspx?ID=422&q1=0&q2=0
> The regularatory agency.
>
> Also read:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortgage-backed_security
>
> Really hesitant about putting money into DODIX due to exposure to GSE
> bonds. Are these bonds that the GSEs used to raise capital?? Are
> these mortgage baked bonds??? What I am trying to determine is what
> is the risk I am looking at if I buy this fund.
>
> This is money my wife and I will need in 10-12 years.

You should never put money into an income (bond) fund with the intention
of holding onto it and later liquidating it for profit. It's not like a
stock fund. If prevailing interest rates are higher in 10 years when
you need to liquidate the income fund, you will take a capital loss.

The purpose of an income fund is *income*. You buy it and live off the
income it generates through dividends. Indefinitely.

If you want income and you also want guaranteed return of principal, you
should buy individual 10 year bonds (say Treasuries), and hold them to
maturity. At maturity, you get your principal back in full. (But if
you sold them prior to maturity, you're taking a principal risk again.)

If you want income and you also want to take some risk for a possible
capital gain as well, you should buy dividend-paying stocks or
dividend-paying stock funds.


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Posted by -herb on June 10, 2008, 12:37 am

> WeathermanBill wrote:
>> Interested in Dodge and Cox Income (DODIX) so started my research at
>> their site and found the following holdings:
>>
https://www.dodgeandcox.com/pdf/shareholder_reports/dc_income_holdings_033108.pdf
>>
>> Concerned about the GSE holdings (Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae) as I heard
>> that both have eased restrictions on home loans. So researched:
>> http://www.ofheo.gov/newsroom.aspx?ID=422&q1=0&q2=0
>> The regularatory agency.
>>
>> Also read:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortgage-backed_security
>>
>> Really hesitant about putting money into DODIX due to exposure to GSE
>> bonds. Are these bonds that the GSEs used to raise capital?? Are
>> these mortgage baked bonds??? What I am trying to determine is what
>> is the risk I am looking at if I buy this fund.
>>
>> This is money my wife and I will need in 10-12 years.
>
> You should never put money into an income (bond) fund with the intention
> of holding onto it and later liquidating it for profit. It's not like a
> stock fund. If prevailing interest rates are higher in 10 years when you
> need to liquidate the income fund, you will take a capital loss.
>
> The purpose of an income fund is *income*. You buy it and live off the
> income it generates through dividends. Indefinitely.
>
> If you want income and you also want guaranteed return of principal, you
> should buy individual 10 year bonds (say Treasuries), and hold them to
> maturity. At maturity, you get your principal back in full. (But if you
> sold them prior to maturity, you're taking a principal risk again.)
>
> If you want income and you also want to take some risk for a possible
> capital gain as well, you should buy dividend-paying stocks or
> dividend-paying stock funds.

I agree with Steven but I would add that there is nothing wrong with making
income funds part of your long-term portfolio as a means of mitigating
volatility. Everyone has his/her own comfort level. FWIW: my personal
preference is 80% stocks/20% bonds (at all ages).

-herb



Posted by WeathermanBill on June 11, 2008, 8:02 pm
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:18:34 -0400, "Steven L."

>If you really, truly need the principal back in 10 to 12 years, I still
>prefer a laddered portfolio of individual bonds to a bond fund. Because
>as I said, once you buy a bond fund, you are taking a principal risk
>with fluctuating interest rates.

Will research the ladder ed approach - thanks for the comments

Weathermanbill


Posted by Steven L. on June 12, 2008, 9:31 pm
WeathermanBill wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:18:34 -0400, "Steven L."
>
>> If you really, truly need the principal back in 10 to 12 years, I still
>> prefer a laddered portfolio of individual bonds to a bond fund. Because
>> as I said, once you buy a bond fund, you are taking a principal risk
>> with fluctuating interest rates.
>
> Will research the ladder ed approach - thanks for the comments

Great! You can start here:

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/02/120202.asp


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