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Posted by on May 31, 2006, 5:15 pm
** You can't even make one single comment without advertising, can you.
What a total jerk you are.
Ratchford: Thank you. I'm pleased that my presence gives you such a
warm and fuzzy feeling.
** Your presence is what has turned this newsgroup into a haven for
spammers. You not only ignore the
spirit of the generally accepted rule about not advertising in
newsgroups, you flaunt the fact that you do
it.
** Horse shit! The very fact that you have been spamming your gas
additive MLM shows that you need
another source of income, or closer to the truth, at least one source
of income.
Ratchford: Well, thank you for once again opening the door. So what you
are saying is that my
distribution business that offers you a ... [rest of puke snipped]
** LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF MIF ... I REST MY CASE! What we are dealing
with here is an
egomaniac of the highest order who could not care less about how to
conduct himself on a public forum.
I have seldom seen anyone who exhibited less class.
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Posted by futures-commodity-trading.com on May 31, 2006, 5:17 pm
Go to http://www.4-ecorp.com/index.php?sp=fdates and check out all the
information and proof they provide right there. You have the news programs
saying that it works. You have large trucking companies saying that it has
been working for them for years. You have many letters and contact
information you can use to investigate the product.
And as MLMs are concerned, this is the only MLM distribution company I have
ever mentioned to a trading client. And the only reason I mentioned this to
them is that I look out for their best interest.
Scam is the black stuff you have crusted in your brains inner lining. Go
have that looked at.
-R
> Misleading claim upon misleading claim:
>
> Rat's NEW MLM (This isn't the first time he's tried to hussle his
> trading clients over some MLM scam)
>
> 1) a wonderful product that saves an average of 10-20% in fuel costs,
> 2) extends the life of your engine up to 50%,
> 3) and is good for the environment
> 4) Being used by the US military in Iraq
>
>
> First of all, do you have any proof of any of these claims? Please
> don't refer anyone to your MLM page. That is not proof. I say you and
> this outfit can't prove any of these claims which would be typical for
> a operation you are involved in.
>
> 5) I'm in the business of helping traders become successful traders.
> That is what I have been doing for 10 years now.
>
> How can you help traders become 'successful traders' when you are not
> one? Oh, you are? Any PROOF that 1) you are a successful trader 2)
> that your methods can be traded profitably with real money?
>
> Vendor Alert! Vendor Alert!
>
> New Traders Beware!
>
> REAL traders don't vend !
>
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Posted by UMT on May 31, 2006, 6:48 pm
Just as I thought, when asked for proof of these wild claims he is
making regarding his NEW MLM,,, he refers you to the MLM website
instead of providing credible sources for his wild claims.
Vendor Alert! Vendor Alert!
If you don't already know it, don't accept ANY CLAIMS made by vendors
on the internet without outside proof that said claim may indeed be
factual. Don't get suckered into scams on the basis of wild, UNPROVEN
claims.
New Traders Beware!
REAL Traders Don't Vend !!
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Posted by Dale Legan on May 31, 2006, 6:16 pm
That is a good point blopper. I don't disagree with many of the
points mr X brings up. Elliotte Wave, Natural Order, Gann, and Cycles
are in many ways illusion and B.S. However, I think a disciplined
system based on BS is still better than using emotion. And, all we can
ask of any person is that they do the very best they can and act
honorably.
The methods I use are all used in graduate level business forecasting
classes. It is a combination model of Multiple-Regression,
AutoCorrelation, 3 AutoRegression components, Multiple Cycle Models
(Fourier, Trig Regression, and ANOVA) .
I use the term Natural Order because I use a harmonic pre-whitening
process on the data before doing the analysis. I follow the
Forecasting convention taught in senior level Forecasting Classes.
The new texbook for this class is (Business Forecasting,
www.prenhall.com/hanke ` I picked up the 8th edition at the college
bookstore for 100 bucks used).
It is good basic knowledge in multiple-regression, the forecasting
process and 2 very important concepts multi-collinearity and
auto-correlation. ARiMA methodology is covered in detail as well as
neural networks.
Future Studies is a Graduate Level program at a few select universities
and is a much more advanced study. You'll need to have a pretty solid
handle on complex math.
In 1992 the Journal of Forecasting first published work on combining
forecasts. A method I'd been doing for several years before this.
EVERY GREAT DECEPTION HAS TRUTH. For example Elliott Wave, The golden
mean and natural order principles are valid and verifiable. However,
"forecasting" waves based on some wave count is not, In fact, in my
opinion it is silly, I should know I've spent years researching it.
Although some relationship may exist between a previous wave and the
present wave (auto-correlation) extrapolating waves into the future
based on elliott is silly. The concept may have a place in general
sense of understanding market movement and that understanding
incorporated in cycle amplitude relationships, for example.
Summarily rejecting something because Gann is mentioned ? Gann is not
in the academic community because it is mysticism. Much of it is
illusion that works in our mind because of the way our eyes and brain
interpret information. Basically you see it "after the fact". But,
that does not mean some of the concepts are without merit. I've not
found anything of gann's that works. I have used F-Dates in the past
as a little boost to the Cycle Surfer. Because, it was a disciplined,
computerized , approach at throwing darts to get dates. I don't know
what the method is or the code is. But, quite frankly I can't go along
with the square of nine thing. I've investigated gann lines in the
past with no success, I'm looking at it again with the DGL group but on
the surface it seems to have many of the same problems that "cycles and
timing" does.
My method is much more than just Cycles or plain Sine Waves. And, I
agree that if anyone tells you they know tomorrows newspaper today then
they are either crazy or conning you.
Tomorrows Newspaper Today was the Tag Line of the Oracle Newsletters,
my fathers newsletter started in 1979. I've kept it. All components
of my models and forecasts can be found and are used in modern advanced
forecasting academia, and climatological forecasting models.
The Cycle Surfer is the term for the specific comtination of model
components (ARIMA, Auto-Correlation, Cycles, Natural Order Filters and
1 equation from my Dad and the pre whitening of the data with my
proprietary Process.)
Natural Order is also recognized in academia.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As far as verifiability of trades / charts ect. Anyone can join my
yahoogroup and ask groups members who subscribe if I did post those
charts shown. There are a number of people who would be glad to tell
you yes, I posted those charts everyday as shown.
Back in 1996, I made video of my screen as I traded a Dow Jones
contract. I may do that again. But, not now. I've too much on my
plate right now.
I'm not "sticking my neck out". I do the work / post it and let the
chips fall where they may. .
blopper@altavista.com wrote:
> Legan: From What I can tell, all post's other than the attacks are some
> form of advertisement. Or come from a response to a thread started as
> a subtle advertisement. Without these post's the group would have
> absolutely ZERO post's. The Vendor Alert would have no one to warn.
>
> ** That is actually funny, but it didn't used to be that way and it is
> not in the spirit of what the newsgroups are supposed to be. Ten years
> ago, there were many very knowledgeable people who posted regularly and
> were very helpful. Those days are long gone. Then spammers started
> showing up and the flame wars began. Eventually, most of beginners left
> because THEY got tired of the spam. That left only the spammers to
> talk to each other and a few people left to flame them. That brings you
> up to date.
>
> There is nothing wrong with mentioning your site once in a while, but
> doing it almost every day gets tiresome and all the bragging gets very
> old very quickly. It just seems like an obvious conclusion that if any
> vendor claims to have a system that is consistently very accurate, that
> they would be able to trade themselves to riches without having to fish
> for people to join their club and pay for information. Indeed, I
> believe that most people assume that if a vendor is trying to get
> people to get to his pay site that things can't be going all that well.
> The claim that one might be doing it to educate the masses just doesn't
> fly.
>
> You see how the game works: you didn't yell or scream or brag or
> threaten ... and neither did I. Makes it much more peaceful.
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Posted by futures-commodity-trading.com on May 31, 2006, 6:24 pm
Elliott Wave, Natural Order, Gann and Cycles are in many ways illusion and
B.S.?
Then I'm afraid you simply have yet to discover the truth behind the
markets, or are trying way to hard to be accepted by your critics.
They are in no way, shape or form an illusion or bs.
-R
> That is a good point blopper. I don't disagree with many of the
> points mr X brings up. Elliotte Wave, Natural Order, Gann, and Cycles
> are in many ways illusion and B.S.
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