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tax-friendly and cheap broker? ltloan@gmail.com 12-29-2006
Posted by ltloan@gmail.com on December 29, 2006, 4:12 pm
Hi all,

I am fairly new in stock trading. I would like to know if I can
buy/sell stocks within a tax-friendly account like IRA or 529? If I
can, do you know of any good brokerage service, i.e. one that is cheap,
offer options, and has decent option trading activities? I found
ShareBuilder for $4/stock trade, SogoInvest for $3. These two seem the
cheapiest so far. Are they good?

I would greatly appreciate any insight. Thank you!

Loan.


Posted by on December 29, 2006, 4:56 pm
529's are run by the states so you will not be able to find anybody who
can offer you stock trading under a 529.

Sharebuilder is cheap but they really don't do trading. If you note the
exact verbage, it says "buy stocks for $4 or less with an automatic
investment program". Their regular market orders cost $11.95-$15.95.
This broker is designed more for periodic investments into stocks and
etfs -- much like how you would put money into mutual funds every
month.

Now as for sogoinvest.com, I can't see the catch here and I can't
figure out why they're so cheap. They have their own clearing house so
any trades that happen inside themselves don't incur standard
transaction fees. How much volume they have and if they're losing money
by offering trades for $3? I don't know but it sure sounds tempting.


ltloan@gmail.com wrote:
> I am fairly new in stock trading. I would like to know if I can
> buy/sell stocks within a tax-friendly account like IRA or 529? If I
> can, do you know of any good brokerage service, i.e. one that is cheap,
> offer options, and has decent option trading activities? I found
> ShareBuilder for $4/stock trade, SogoInvest for $3. These two seem the
> cheapiest so far. Are they good?


Posted by Mark Freeland on December 29, 2006, 6:57 pm

> Now as for sogoinvest.com, I can't see the catch here and I can't
> figure out why they're so cheap. They have their own clearing house so
> any trades that happen inside themselves don't incur standard
> transaction fees. How much volume they have and if they're losing
> money by offering trades for $3? I don't know but it sure sounds
> tempting.

See Oct 17 USA Today article @
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/columnist/krantz/2006-10-17-free-trades_x.htm

As it points out, the cost to the broker is around $2, so even at $3,
SogoInvest is making money. More than that, however, is the pittance many
places pay for cash. (Despite what the article says about Schwab paying
good rates, this year they moved most of their customers from a fair
yielding MMF to a lower paying Schwab bank account.)

The article also points out that there are various ways to get free trades,
including Zecco.com. (Another site is critical of the ads that you have to
endure at Zecco.)

There's also the matter of quality of execution - get a couple of cents
price improvement and that can more than make up for a few bucks difference
in commission.

Here's a BusinessWeek article from July, discussing these differences and
more. If you click on the SlideShow, you'll get the price improvement
statistics (and more) for 15 different brokerages.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_31/b3995118.htm

Then there is the matter of the IRA. Many brokerages charge an annual
maintenance fee; several others do not. SogoInvest doesn't even offer an
IRA account yet! https://www.sogoinvest.com/accountsetup/accounttype.aspx

Judging from the slides (and the fact that it has no IRA maintenance fees),
Firstrade might be something to look at. Not being an options trader, I
can't comment too much on that aspect (beyond observing that you can trade
options there).

> ltloan@gmail.com wrote:
>> I am fairly new in stock trading. I would like to know if I can
>> buy/sell stocks within a tax-friendly account like IRA or 529? If I
>> can, do you know of any good brokerage service, i.e. one that is
>> cheap,offer options, and has decent option trading activities?

Mark Freeland
BnetOnewsX@sbcglobal.net


Posted by ltloan@gmail.com on December 30, 2006, 5:42 am
Thank you very much for the information and the links, they are very
useful to me. I would like to ask one more thing:

I am trying to figure out all the commission fees when trading options:

Assuming that:

a: option/stock fee per trade
b: option fee per contract
c: option exercise/assignment fee (per contract or per activity? I'm
not sure about this)

If I buy one call/put contract, and I want to exercise the option, buy
and resell the underlying stocks, is the commission fee a+b+c+2*a
or just a+b+c?

Thank you in advance for any answer, and have a happy new year!

>
> > Now as for sogoinvest.com, I can't see the catch here and I can't
> > figure out why they're so cheap. They have their own clearing house so
> > any trades that happen inside themselves don't incur standard
> > transaction fees. How much volume they have and if they're losing
> > money by offering trades for $3? I don't know but it sure sounds
> > tempting.See Oct 17 USA Today article
@http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/columnist/krantz/2006-10-17-free-...
>
> As it points out, the cost to the broker is around $2, so even at $3,
> SogoInvest is making money. More than that, however, is the pittance many
> places pay for cash. (Despite what the article says about Schwab paying
> good rates, this year they moved most of their customers from a fair
> yielding MMF to a lower paying Schwab bank account.)
>
> The article also points out that there are various ways to get free trades,
> including Zecco.com. (Another site is critical of the ads that you have to
> endure at Zecco.)
>
> There's also the matter of quality of execution - get a couple of cents
> price improvement and that can more than make up for a few bucks difference
> in commission.
>
> Here's a BusinessWeek article from July, discussing these differences and
> more. If you click on the SlideShow, you'll get the price improvement
> statistics (and more) for 15 different
brokerages.http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_31/b3995118.htm
>
> Then there is the matter of the IRA. Many brokerages charge an annual
> maintenance fee; several others do not. SogoInvest doesn't even offer an
> IRA account yet!https://www.sogoinvest.com/accountsetup/accounttype.aspx
>
> Judging from the slides (and the fact that it has no IRA maintenance fees),
> Firstrade might be something to look at. Not being an options trader, I
> can't comment too much on that aspect (beyond observing that you can trade
> options there).
>
> > ltl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> I am fairly new in stock trading. I would like to know if I can
> >> buy/sell stocks within a tax-friendly account like IRA or 529? If I
> >> can, do you know of any good brokerage service, i.e. one that is
> >> cheap,offer options, and has decent option trading activities?Mark Freeland
> BnetOne...@sbcglobal.net


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Posted by joetaxpayer on December 30, 2006, 9:11 am


ltloan@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you very much for the information and the links, they are very
> useful to me. I would like to ask one more thing:
>
> I am trying to figure out all the commission fees when trading options:
>
> Assuming that:
>
> a: option/stock fee per trade
> b: option fee per contract
> c: option exercise/assignment fee (per contract or per activity? I'm
> not sure about this)
>
> If I buy one call/put contract, and I want to exercise the option, buy
> and resell the underlying stocks, is the commission fee a+b+c+2*a
> or just a+b+c?
>

Each broker will spell out their option commission fees.
The trade may cost $7 + $1.25 per contract. (this is an example from a
broker chosen at random.) This is your a+b.
An 'exercise' will usually incur a stock commission, as compared to
another option commission, but you would do this only if you're looking
to then hold the stock awhile. (or if it's so close to expiration that
the bid on your option doesn't show proper intrinsic value)

You started by saying you were a new investor. May I ask why you are
jumping right to options trading, quite risky, before building a
portfolio based on ETF and/or Index funds?
JOE


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