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investment suggestions please Jane 02-05-2007
Posted by Jane on February 5, 2007, 11:55 am
My son is a home inspector and the company he works for does not offer
any savings options. He and his wife earn about $120k a year. He is
43 years old and has four kids.

Other than an IRA what other tax deferred savings is he eligible for?
How much can he save? I believe for 2006 he can save $4000 in a
traditional IRA. Can he do that now for his 2006 tax return?

Sorry to say he has not saved a penny for retirement despite my
begging over the years. He is busy paying for college for his kids.
I've told him his retirement comes first but he won't listen. Luckily
at the moment he is making enough to have some extra for savings and I
think I can finally talk him into saving for retirement. He's talking
about I Bonds which at his age and tax bracket I don't think is the
way to go.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Jane


Posted by woessner@gmail.com on February 5, 2007, 12:43 pm
> Other than an IRA what other tax deferred savings is he eligible for?
> How much can he save? I believe for 2006 he can save $4000 in a
> traditional IRA. Can he do that now for his 2006 tax return?

I would turn to a Roth IRA first. If you're going to make a maximal
contribution, the Roth is probably a better choice. The reason is
that the Roth is 'denser' than a traditional IRA. Of the money you
contribution to a traditional IRA, some of it belongs to the
government. The money in a Roth is all yours. Instead of putting in
pre-tax money, you put in after-tax money and then all the earnings
are tax-free.

I think the Roth is a good place to start. After that, there's
nothing wrong with an old-fashioned after-tax account. It's certainly
not as great as a tax-advantaged account, but it's not bad. And it
has the advantage that the earnings are taxed as dividends and capital
gains, not regular income. You can also defer the majority of
incremental taxes on capital gains and dividends by investing in tax-
efficient mutual funds.

Others might suggest your son turn to a variable annuity. This is a
very divisive topic in this newsgroup. I, personally, steer clear of
them. If your son has a LOT of taxable income, a variable annuity
could help get that down.

--Bill


Posted by Jane on February 6, 2007, 4:56 am
>
> > Other than an IRA what other tax deferred savings is he eligible for?
> > How much can he save? I believe for 2006 he can save $4000 in a
> > traditional IRA. Can he do that now for his 2006 tax return?
>
> I would turn to a Roth IRA first. If you're going to make a maximal
> contribution, the Roth is probably a better choice. The reason is
> that the Roth is 'denser' than a traditional IRA. Of the money you
> contribution to a traditional IRA, some of it belongs to the
> government. The money in a Roth is all yours. Instead of putting in
> pre-tax money, you put in after-tax money and then all the earnings
> are tax-free.
>
> I think the Roth is a good place to start. After that, there's
> nothing wrong with an old-fashioned after-tax account. It's certainly
> not as great as a tax-advantaged account, but it's not bad. And it
> has the advantage that the earnings are taxed as dividends and capital
> gains, not regular income. You can also defer the majority of
> incremental taxes on capital gains and dividends by investing in tax-
> efficient mutual funds.
>
> Others might suggest your son turn to a variable annuity. This is a
> very divisive topic in this newsgroup. I, personally, steer clear of
> them. If your son has a LOT of taxable income, a variable annuity
> could help get that down.
>
> --Bill

I would have thought that at his tax bracket a traditional IRA would
have been a better choice. Not true?


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Posted by woessner@gmail.com on February 6, 2007, 8:30 am
> I would have thought that at his tax bracket a traditional IRA would
> have been a better choice. Not true?

Which tax bracket he's in now is only half of the equation. The other
half is which tax bracket he'll be in in the future. Of course, the
latter is impossible to predict, but there's a general feeling that
taxes will go up in the future. So my default advice is to favor the
Roth.

Besides which, a combined salary of $120K puts them squarely in the
25% bracket. Actually, it's conceivable they might be in the 15%
bracket if they have enough tax-exempt income (don't laugh-half of my
income is tax-exempt and I don't even have any kids!). Either way,
they're not in an exceedingly high tax bracket.

--Bill


Posted by on February 6, 2007, 11:41 am
On the otherhand, the fact that he's saved nothing at this point for
retirement probably means his retirement tax rate will probably be
next to 0% during retirement unless he somehow ramps his savings rate
beyond aggressiveness.

> Which tax bracket he's in now is only half of the equation. The other
> half is which tax bracket he'll be in in the future. Of course, the
> latter is impossible to predict, but there's a general feeling that
> taxes will go up in the future. So my default advice is to favor the
> Roth.


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