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good time to roll over 401Ks? Mike 06-11-2008
Posted by Mike on June 11, 2008, 3:11 pm
I have maybe $50k spread amongst a couple of 401k accounts and an IRA.
I'm considering moving all the money into an American Funds account
and letting a financial adviser manage it and future contributions for
me. With the dollar being kind of low right now, though, is it a bad
idea to sell my current holdings so I can move the money into a new
fund -- particularly since it'll cost me about $2250 in a one-time fee
to do so?

Thanks for any help.

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Posted by Default User on June 11, 2008, 4:27 pm
Mike wrote:

> I have maybe $50k spread amongst a couple of 401k accounts and an IRA.
> I'm considering moving all the money into an American Funds account
> and letting a financial adviser manage it and future contributions for
> me.

American Funds is pretty expensive, as they usually come with a hefty
load one way or the other.

As it looks like you don't want to manage the account, ou'd be miles
ahead with a Vanguard account and pick a representative Target
Retirement fund. That will have an asset allocation that is
automatically rebalanced and adjusted as time goes by.

> With the dollar being kind of low right now, though, is it a bad
> idea to sell my current holdings so I can move the money into a new
> fund

I'm not sure what the dollar has to do with it. Without knowing what
your current holdings are, it's hard to say much about selling them.

> -- particularly since it'll cost me about $2250 in a one-time fee
> to do so?

Where is this fee coming from? Is your prospective manager going to
charge that for a few rollovers?



Brian

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Posted by on June 11, 2008, 5:24 pm
> Mike wrote:
>
> > I have maybe $50k spread amongst a couple of 401k accounts and an IRA.
> > I'm considering moving all the money into an American Funds account

> As it looks like you don't want to manage the account, ou'd be miles
> ahead with a Vanguard account and pick a representative Target
> Retirement fund.

Probably very good advice, though there are certain assumptions
going with it (ie. it doesn't take into consideration any other
assets/investments he may have). In theory, his 'advisor'
is taking all that into consideration. Perhaps the OP would
post more details about his situation here.

> > -- particularly since it'll cost me about $2250 in a one-time fee
> > to do so?
>
> Where is this fee coming from? Is your prospective manager going to
> charge that for a few rollovers?

If he's buying American Funds mutual funds, he's paying a
load. American Funds class A shares carry a 5.75% sales
fee. That's money right out of the OP's pocket, and that's
a lot of money.

I'd rather see him spend some cash out of pocket on a real
financial planner - a full-blown financial plan, or at least
a few hours of consultation with a planner - should cost a lot
less than that (actually on $50k, it'd be $2875), and should
give the OP advise that he can use in the future for future
contributions, too.


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Posted by Default User on June 11, 2008, 6:17 pm
BreadWithSpam@fractious.net wrote:


> > As it looks like you don't want to manage the account, ou'd be miles
> > ahead with a Vanguard account and pick a representative Target
> > Retirement fund.
>
> Probably very good advice, though there are certain assumptions
> going with it (ie. it doesn't take into consideration any other
> assets/investments he may have). In theory, his 'advisor'
> is taking all that into consideration.

Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on a guy pushing American Funds. A good idea
would be for the OP to go over his situation. That includes time until
retirement, breakdown of current investments, approximate portfolio
size, debt, dependents, etc. etc.

> Perhaps the OP would
> post more details about his situation here.

That's definitely what we need.

> > Where is this fee coming from? Is your prospective manager going to
> > charge that for a few rollovers?
>
> If he's buying American Funds mutual funds, he's paying a
> load. American Funds class A shares carry a 5.75% sales
> fee. That's money right out of the OP's pocket, and that's
> a lot of money.

I know, that was in my original message. However, I don't know if the
fee the OP was talking about was the fund loads or additional
management fee to do the rollovers. Important information.

> I'd rather see him spend some cash out of pocket on a real
> financial planner

That's worth considering. If there are significant assets, a manager
working for a percentage of AUM is a possibility. There are also hourly
planners that work up a plan that the client has to implement (might
not be what is needed here though).





Brian

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Posted by PeterL on June 11, 2008, 4:35 pm
> I have maybe $50k spread amongst a couple of 401k accounts and an IRA.
> I'm considering moving all the money into an American Funds account
> and letting a financial adviser manage it and future contributions for
> me. With the dollar being kind of low right now, though, is it a bad
> idea to sell my current holdings so I can move the money into a new
> fund -- particularly since it'll cost me about $2250 in a one-time fee
> to do so?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>


What's your current holdings in? What does the dollar have anything
to do with it?

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