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finances and O.J. Simpson... joeNOSPAM@bea.com 01-18-2008
Posted by Mark Bole on January 20, 2008, 9:15 am
John A. Weeks III wrote:
>
>>
>>>> NFL pension.
>>> In the wake of the Las Vegas fiasco, I heard somewhere that his
>>> pension from the NFL is over $250k annually (unconfirmed). As the
>>> others said, this pension is creditor protected.
>> If he deposits a monthly pension check into a personal bank account,
>> does that mean the creditors can then take the money from his account?
>> Does it mean he would have to cash the check and then take all the cash
>> home with him in a briefcase in order to protect it from creditors?
>
> Yes. Or find some other way to hide the money so he can move
> it off-shore or into a protected asset before the Goldman family
> can attach it. BTW, this is a similar game to what folks on
> Welfare have to play each month. At in the two states where I
> frequent, folks who accept welfare are not allowed to have
> bank accounts, and if they have any money left at the end of
> the month, that amount is to be subtracted from the next month
> check. Now you know why they live month to month.
>
> -john-

I wonder if that applies to prepaid cards. For example, if you have a
tax refund coming, some banks offer to set up a Mastercard or Visa
account to receive the refund, you can even set up payroll direct
deposit to these cards. They are specifically marketed to the
"unbanked", those who for whatever reason do not have conventional
checking accounts. These cards can be used just like credit cards as
long as there is a balance, the primary drawback is that for cash, you
either have to use an ATM and pay related fees, or get "cash back" from
your everyday purchases.

-Mark Bole


Posted by kastnna on January 21, 2008, 9:47 am
>
> If he deposits a monthly pension check into a personal bank account,
> does that mean the creditors can then take the money from his account?
> Does it mean he would have to cash the check and then take all the cash
> home with him in a briefcase in order to protect it from creditors?

While it may be possible in some cases, I don't think that is a
concern for OJ. As we all acknowledged, the pension itself is
untouchable (under ERISA). The money is safe both in and out of the
pension. Whether we agree or disagree with this protection, look at it
from the position of the lawmakers. Why even establish the protection,
if the money can't ever be used?

A few states (including California and Florida) don't allow ANY of the
distributions to be seized after withdrawal. In other states, the
Judge will determine "reasonable living expenses". Any amount
withdrawn over that figure may be seized.

Texas and Florida (and maybe others) also protect residences from
seizure. This is the reason that OJ's Brentwood home and its contents
were seized by the Goldman family, but his South Florida residence
remains untouched.

Since the beginning there have been rumors that OJ moved assets
overseas to hide them. Many countries simply do not honor American
legal judgements and there is little we can do about it. However, the
evasive action itself occurred in the US and is subject to
prosecution. Proving OJ actually did this would be quite difficult,
and regardless, I read the statute of limitations ran out years ago.


Posted by Don on January 21, 2008, 3:14 pm

> That is interesting. I suspected it is not too difficult to hide
> assets, especially if you have a lot of them in various places. And he
> could always enlist friends and relatives to do finanial transactions
> on his behalf. Another trick I have wondered about is to invest in a
> bunch of foreign travelers' checks. In most cities I suppose you could
> walk into any bank any time and cash one.


Posted by Chris Cowles on January 21, 2008, 4:53 pm
>
> Texas and Florida (and maybe others) also protect residences from
> seizure. This is the reason that OJ's Brentwood home and its
> contents
> were seized by the Goldman family, but his South Florida residence
> remains untouched.

Jeff (Enron) Skillings' home in Florida is an example of that.


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