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"You have a new bill from Chase Credit Cards" zxcvbob 10-06-2007
Posted by zxcvbob on October 6, 2007, 4:18 pm
Credit card companies are getting aggressive with service fees. My
latest misadventure with electronic billing (email that I sent to the
customer service dept at my bank):

> I received this billing notice late Thursday night (look at the
> timestamp on the attached email) for a bill that was due Friday. I
> didn't look at the bill until Saturday morning, only to find out that
> the bill was already past due. Even if I had noticed the bill
> Thursday night and paid it immediately it would have posted late.
> Also, the billing notice in my Billpay "Payment Center" page didn't
> show up until now. I check it every couple of days.
>
> I paid the bill in full today. I called Chase to give them a heads
> up, and to get the late fee waived. The clerk that I talked to said
> this was my fault for using a 3rd party payment service and that they
> would *not* (emphasis his) waive the fee. I said I'm not going to
> pay the fee and I'll cancel my account if I have to. He said he
> could help me with that right now if I like. Then he went on-and-on
> about 3rd party payment services. I finally interrupted him and said
> I'll call back after the payment posts, and I hung up the phone.
>
> I don't know what late fees are running these days, probably about
> $35.
>
> When did you receive the billing notice from Chase? Can you help me
> with this service charge thing?
>
> Regards,
> [name withheld]


I have never asked for a late fee to be waived on this account, and I've
never missed a payment or paid late before. But in the past with other
credit cards, they have been happy to waive a fee (not more than once
every year or two) for a good customer.

Times are changing, I guess.

Bob


Posted by Justin on October 6, 2007, 4:32 pm
zxcvbob wrote on [Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:18:42 -0500]:
>> I received this billing notice late Thursday night (look at the
>> timestamp on the attached email) for a bill that was due Friday. I
>> didn't look at the bill until Saturday morning, only to find out that
>> the bill was already past due. Even if I had noticed the bill
>> Thursday night and paid it immediately it would have posted late.
>> Also, the billing notice in my Billpay "Payment Center" page didn't
>> show up until now. I check it every couple of days.

What's a Billpay "Payment Center"?

>> I paid the bill in full today. I called Chase to give them a heads
>> up, and to get the late fee waived. The clerk that I talked to said
>> this was my fault for using a 3rd party payment service and that they
>> would *not* (emphasis his) waive the fee. I said I'm not going to
>> pay the fee and I'll cancel my account if I have to. He said he
>> could help me with that right now if I like. Then he went on-and-on
>> about 3rd party payment services. I finally interrupted him and said
>> I'll call back after the payment posts, and I hung up the phone.
>>
>> When did you receive the billing notice from Chase? Can you help me
>> with this service charge thing?
> I have never asked for a late fee to be waived on this account, and I've
> never missed a payment or paid late before. But in the past with other
> credit cards, they have been happy to waive a fee (not more than once
> every year or two) for a good customer.

It sounds like maybe this is an issue with a bank online payment center
or something. Not Chase. However they should be a little more
accomodating, if you don't act like a jerk on the phone with them.

When I log into chase.com I don't see anything called a Billpay Payment
Center.

I receive emails same day when a new statement comes out.


Posted by zxcvbob on October 6, 2007, 5:19 pm
Justin wrote:
> zxcvbob wrote on [Sat, 6 Oct 2007 15:18:42 -0500]:
>>> I received this billing notice late Thursday night (look at the
>>> timestamp on the attached email) for a bill that was due Friday.
>>> I didn't look at the bill until Saturday morning, only to find
>>> out that the bill was already past due. Even if I had noticed
>>> the bill Thursday night and paid it immediately it would have
>>> posted late. Also, the billing notice in my Billpay "Payment
>>> Center" page didn't show up until now. I check it every couple
>>> of days. [snip]
>
> What's a Billpay "Payment Center"?

That's the payment service at the bank (the email I quoted was sent to
the bank, not to Chase). I see it when I log in at my bank. They get
an electronic bill from Chase, post it to my account (but don't
automatically pay it until I sign in and click on it), and they send me
an email notification so I'll know there's something at my account that
needs attention.

> It sounds like maybe this is an issue with a bank online payment
> center or something. Not Chase. However they should be a little more
> accomodating, if you don't act like a jerk on the phone with them.

I don't know yet if it was a Chase problem or a bank problem. The bank
should be able to trace the whole transaction and find out. I wasn't a
jerk when I called, but I didn't grovel either (maybe I should have just
a little, instead of assuming they would waive the fee.)

What I've done with other accounts where I don't receive electronic
bills is set up an automatic payment for $20 a few days before the bills
are usually due. When the paper statement comes, I log in and change
that payment to the correct amount. If the statement never gets here or
I fumble it, $20 goes to my account, which is more than any minimum
payment amount I ever receive -- so I still might end up paying some
interest for the month, but no service charges. Assuming this
eventually gets resolved without me canceling the account, I may cancel
the electronic billing and go with the same system for Chase.

Bob


Posted by Justin on October 6, 2007, 9:26 pm
zxcvbob wrote on [Sat, 6 Oct 2007 16:19:06 -0500]:
>> It sounds like maybe this is an issue with a bank online payment
>> center or something. Not Chase. However they should be a little more
>> accomodating, if you don't act like a jerk on the phone with them.
>
> I don't know yet if it was a Chase problem or a bank problem. The bank
> should be able to trace the whole transaction and find out. I wasn't a
> jerk when I called, but I didn't grovel either (maybe I should have just
> a little, instead of assuming they would waive the fee.)
>
> What I've done with other accounts where I don't receive electronic
> bills is set up an automatic payment for $20 a few days before the bills
> are usually due. When the paper statement comes, I log in and change
> that payment to the correct amount. If the statement never gets here or
> I fumble it, $20 goes to my account, which is more than any minimum
> payment amount I ever receive -- so I still might end up paying some
> interest for the month, but no service charges. Assuming this
> eventually gets resolved without me canceling the account, I may cancel
> the electronic billing and go with the same system for Chase.

Ah, I pay through a bill payment vendor, however I also have all my
accounts registered with the issuing bank. That way I get an email from
the bank when a statement is issued, as well.


Posted by Chris Cowles on October 7, 2007, 5:47 pm

> What I've done with other accounts where I don't receive electronic
> bills is set up an automatic payment for $20 a few days before the
> bills are usually due. If ... I fumble it, $20 goes to my account,
> which is more than any minimum payment amount I ever receive ...

I'm doing essentially the same.

I just set up a low interest balance transfer from a credit card to
pay off a car loan. Including the balance transfer fee I'm saving
several hundred dollars over the life of the loan. I use Microsoft
Money to calculate the payoff schedule for that and another account
for which I did the same thing. Money adjusts the payment amount every
month, considering relative interest rates and minimum payments. I
can't schedule automatically because it's constantly changing.

I set up an automatic draft by the credit card bank from my checking
account for the minimum. My Money-calculated payment should occur
before that minimum payment. The issuer adjusts scheduled payments to
include other credits. The result is if I don't mess up, I pay it off
on schedule and don't get double-billed. If I mess up, the minimum
gets paid and I don't suffer missed payment fees or, worse, escalation
of the interest due to not making payments in a timely manner.
--
Chris Cowles
Gainesville, FL


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