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Posted by abby on February 29, 2008, 1:46 pm
Hi,
When looking into retirement outside the US I came upon the
startling fact the the WHO ranks the US 37th in health care.
France is 1st, Italy 2nd, even Columbia, Chile and Costa Rica
are ranked ahead of the US. Why is that and what are the
implications for retirees?
One of my concerns about retiring elsewhere was health care
quality. Because we live just outside Boston and are
accustomed to first rate health and dental care.
Thanks,
Gary
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Posted by dapperdobbs on March 1, 2008, 4:53 pm
> One of my concerns about retiring elsewhere was health care
> quality. Because we live just outside Boston and are
> accustomed to first rate health and dental care.
>
> Thanks,
> Gary
I think you got it right in the above last paragraph, as far as Doctor
quality. The WHO may very well have political agendas of its own,
something like the United Nations? And their ranking system may
consider "stated costs" (which opens up long discussions of private v.
public, and which is actually more cost efficient, which inevitably
borders on political issues of "free" medical service, the "rich" v.
the "poor" and the WHO probably favors "free"). Would you like to
retire in France where unemployment amongst young people is what, 40%?
Also note that if you retire elsewhere, you may be exposed to
environmental conditions dissimilar to your developed immunities as
well as to your genetic stock, and possible language problems.
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Posted by dapperdobbs on March 1, 2008, 11:48 pm
> The USA has excellent health care available for affluent people who are
> able to pay for it. [snip] But cheer
> up. I do believe universal health care is coming to the USA in the not
> too distant future.
The capitalist model of properity and success is based on the notion
of private property, which in turn is based upon the very simple idea
that if one has the money to buy things, then one has the free choice
to buy them or not. The countervailing notion of common property has
led to over 100,000,000 deaths in Russia and China alone. Choose.
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Posted by Elle on March 2, 2008, 10:22 am
> The capitalist model of properity and success is based on
> the notion
> of private property, which in turn is based upon the very
> simple idea
> that if one has the money to buy things, then one has the
> free choice
> to buy them or not. The countervailing notion of common
> property has
> led to over 100,000,000 deaths in Russia and China alone.
> Choose.
Of course Universal Health Care by itself does not determine
violence. In fact, as you should know full well, countries
with Universal Health Care overwhelming have significantly
superior infant mortality rates, among other health
statistics. E.g. compare the U.S.'s rate of 6.4 deaths per
1000 births to Britain's, Canada's, and Japan's rates of
5.0, 4.6, and 2.8.
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Posted by Ron Rosenfeld on March 2, 2008, 7:23 am
>When looking into retirement outside the US I came upon the
>startling fact the the WHO ranks the US 37th in health care.
>France is 1st, Italy 2nd, even Columbia, Chile and Costa Rica
>are ranked ahead of the US. Why is that and what are the
>implications for retirees?
WHO is ranking the health care SYSTEM in various countries. It looks at
different parameters than you might as an individual. The major parameters
of the WHO ranking are 1) good health: "making the health status of the
entire population as good as possible" across the whole life cycle, 2)
responsiveness: responding to people’s expectations of respectful treatment
and client orientation by health care providers, and 3) fairness in
financing: ensuring financial protection for everyone, with costs
distributed according to one’s ability to pay.
As a retiree, you are concerned with whether you, personally, will have
access to good quality medical care of the type you may require, and that
you can afford. In the US you can find areas of excellent, and very
accessible, health care (e.g. Boston area); and also areas where health
resources are very limited. That variance may be less true in smaller,
more homogenous countries.
So I guess the implications for a retiree is that, no matter where you
retire, if health care quality is an issue, you need to investigate its
availability and quality in the specific area to which you may retire.
--ron
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