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What caused the recession? HW \"Skip\" Weldon 02-08-2010
Posted by HW \"Skip\" Weldon on February 8, 2010, 12:26 pm


Interesting to see how Greenspan answers this.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/05/news/economy/greenspan.fortune/index.htm?hpt=Sbin


Posted by Ron Peterson on February 8, 2010, 4:21 pm


On Feb 8, 11:26 am, "HW "Skip" Weldon"
> Interesting to see how Greenspan answers this.

> http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/05/news/economy/greenspan.fortune/index....

Sort of a cash for clunkers program. $180,000 speaking fee?

The Fed doesn't have enough power to straighten out the US economy.
They need the power to raise and lower taxes. (i.e. everything that
congress has the power to do, but won't.)

--
Ron


Posted by Elle on February 9, 2010, 11:09 am


> The Fed doesn't have enough power to straighten out the US economy.

Before reading the article I was going to rejoin to the above,
"Especially now that interest rates have been set so low there is no
room for further changes to help improve the current situation." IOW,
the Fed blew their wad. Then I thought I better and read the article
Skip cited so as to see if anything intelligent was in it. Leaping out
at me is the line: "Greenspan, in his final four years as Fed
chairman, kept rates too low and regulation too light, goes the
argument."

Yet while Greenspan was the Fed Chair, only a few expressed some
concern about these practices. ISTM no one really sounded the alarms.
I think almost everyone bought in. Hence to suggest that Greenspan or
Bernanke should have gone against the tide does not seem entirely
fair. They would have to be seen as god-like and similarly obeyed as
though they were gods, all-knowing, etc. (Granted I was known to refer
to Greenspan as "President Greenspan" during his day. But it was
mostly in jest. He does not have the powers of a real leader.) We do
not have any real leaders today, though maybe this is because the
followers are so uneducated and unreasoned. These followers are
gaining traction, too. To me it adds up to a lot of frustration and
some catastrophe for several more years, until people have experienced
the worst of not working together such that, for example, even those
on the far Right see the intelligence of say universal health care and
a single payer system.

Greenspan "plays tennis" among other things today. Would that he gave
a little thought, before and after tennis, to the many people out of
work and what he could do to help them. Owning that he could have done
more to prevent this, even with the large tide against him, would be a
start.


Posted by Wallace on February 9, 2010, 12:47 pm



> > The Fed doesn't have enough power to straighten out the US economy.
>
> Before reading the article I was going to rejoin to the above,
> "Especially now that interest rates have been set so low there is no
> room for further changes to help improve the current situation." IOW,
> the Fed blew their wad. Then I thought I better and read the article
> Skip cited so as to see if anything intelligent was in it. Leaping out
> at me is the line: "Greenspan, in his final four years as Fed
> chairman, kept rates too low and regulation too light, goes the
> argument."
>
> Yet while Greenspan was the Fed Chair, only a few expressed some
> concern about these practices. ISTM no one really sounded the alarms.
> I think almost everyone bought in. Hence to suggest that Greenspan or
> Bernanke should have gone against the tide does not seem entirely
> fair.

sure it does. Greenspan was wrong, along with a lot of other people. But
not all. I was among those who kept their powder dry during this period.

Is the Fed supposed to act based upon opinion polls? Or are they supposed
to be the experts and do the right thing, lest the country tank?


Posted by Chip on February 9, 2010, 2:06 pm


Wallace wrote:

>
> Is the Fed supposed to act based upon opinion polls? Or are they supposed
> to be the experts and do the right thing, lest the country tank?
>
The flaw in that argument is that the stability of the WHOLE world-wide
financial system is based on trust. I trust you to follow our contract.
I trust the insurance company will pay off in case of an accident. I
trust that this piece of paper will pay for my lunch. If the opinion
polls show a lack of trust, then everybody is out of a job and we
regress to barter or caveman tactics. The Fed has to base at least some
of it's actions on opinion polls.

Chip


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