Variable Annutieis: The truth?

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Subject Author Date Variable Annutieis: The truth? thamsenman 12-05-2006  Re: Variable Annutieis: The truth? Harry 12-05-2006  Re: Variable Annutieis: The truth? joetaxpayer 12-05-2006  Re: Variable Annutieis: The truth? rick++ 12-05-2006  Re: Variable Annutieis: The truth? joetaxpayer 12-05-2006  Re: Variable Annutieis: The truth? Elle 12-05-2006
Posted by thamsenman on December 5, 2006, 5:00 am Hey everybody, I know a lot of TV pundits (including Suze Orman) and some online financial commentators rail against variable annuities. They point to the high fees, etc. and claim that it would be better to just buy stocks/funds on your own. People seem to love slamming insurance companies (can't blame them all the time for it). Usually, I view all investments as appropriate in some sort of scenario/time/situation and I was wondering when is it a good idea to actually go after and buy a variable annuity (say with rock bottom fees like Vanguard, etc.)? Who would be the ideal investor investing in a variable annuity and what would they look for? How would purchasing a variable annuity optimally help them find what they are looking for. Any input is appreciated, thanks Posted by Harry on December 5, 2006, 8:32 am > Hey everybody, > > I know a lot of TV pundits (including Suze Orman) and some online > financial commentators rail against variable annuities. They point to > the high fees, etc. and claim that it would be better to just buy > stocks/funds on your own. People seem to love slamming insurance > companies (can't blame them all the time for it). Usually, I view all > investments as appropriate in some sort of scenario/time/situation and > I was wondering when is it a good idea to actually go after and buy a > variable annuity (say with rock bottom fees like Vanguard, etc.)? Who > would be the ideal investor investing in a variable annuity and what > would they look for? How would purchasing a variable annuity optimally > help them find what they are looking for. Someone who has maxed out all available tax qualified plans available to them (IRAs, 401(k)s, etc), needs additional tax deferral, does not need to touch the money until they are 59 1/2, if over 59 1/2 do not need the money for at least 5-20 years. Many variable annuities have an income rider available and this could be beneficial if you have included the annuity in your plan for future income needs. An annuity is basically the vehicle needed to create your own pension. Let's say you are 55 and plan on retiring at 65. You want a guaranteed income stream at retirement. Most income riders are based on a look-back period. Typically the rider will guarantee a fixed amount of growth (5%-7%) no matter what the underlying investments have done. So at 55 you drop $$$ into a variable annuity, you hold it ten years, you are now ready to retire and start your income stream, the amount of annual income you receive will be based on the value of the annuity. If the underlying investments have performed well your income will be based on the current value. If they have not done as well as what the income rider guarantees then the value calculated by the rider will be used. You annuitize the annuity and you now have your lifetime income stream or self made pension. These riders usually call for a 10 year minimum annuitazation period. So to benefit from the rider you must keep the annuity full term (typically 10 years) and annuitize for a minimum of 10 years, a twenty year deal ! Only a portion of your retirement savings would be allocated to this sort of income plan. While guaranteed income for life is nice, it does not typically adjust for inflation. You would still need additional investments to generate income, have for reserves, etc. Posted by joetaxpayer on December 5, 2006, 8:38 am thamsenman wrote: > Hey everybody, > > I know a lot of TV pundits (including Suze Orman) and some online > financial commentators rail against variable annuities. They point to > the high fees, etc. and claim that it would be better to just buy > stocks/funds on your own. People seem to love slamming insurance > companies (can't blame them all the time for it). Usually, I view all > investments as appropriate in some sort of scenario/time/situation and > I was wondering when is it a good idea to actually go after and buy a > variable annuity (say with rock bottom fees like Vanguard, etc.)? Who > would be the ideal investor investing in a variable annuity and what > would they look for? How would purchasing a variable annuity optimally > help them find what they are looking for. > > Any input is appreciated, > > thanks > The high expense ones have a(n overpriced) death benefit and trade a chunk of potential return for a floor/ protection on the downside. The .25% low fee VAs avoid annual current taxation, but are taxed as ordinary income on the withdrawal side. I do understand there is some asset protection advantage but haven't ever been told the exact nature of it. It may protect against a lawsuit, but again, I've seen this posted with no back-up. JOE Posted by rick++ on December 5, 2006, 9:44 am I did, and defered a boatload of taxes (five figures) this year. Its not my major savings vehicle, just one them to help control taxes. 401Ks and IRAs have too low ceilings. Posted by joetaxpayer on December 5, 2006, 11:39 am rick++ wrote: > I did, and defered a boatload of taxes (five figures) this year. > Its not my major savings vehicle, just one them to help > control taxes. 401Ks and IRAs have too low ceilings. > Would you mind expanding on this reply? 5 figures is $10,000+ in tax you deffered. Can you give a hint as to what the rest of the story is? This the low-fee annuity we've discuss here, Fidelity or Vanguard? To me this implies $200K or more in the annuity. Any concern about the taxation at the other end? JOE Similar Threads Posted Variable Annuities October 12, 2006, 5:01 am Variable annuities not so bad? October 22, 2008, 8:14 pm Variable Annuity Questions March 5, 2007, 4:51 pm Guarantees In Variable Annuities? 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