The impact of baby boomers

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The impact of baby boomers Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, AB 01-13-2010
Posted by Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, AB on January 13, 2010, 3:31 pm


I haven't seen this posted or discussed hardly anywhere and I'd be very
interested in the groups take on my perception.

Part of what has been driving our expanding economy over the last 60 years
has been the growth of the baby boomers. As they've grown they've needed
cars, homes, TVs, clothes and all the stuff we all need and use daily.

This increase in consumption led to an increase in production. Hence, we've
had a lot of stuff produced which led to an increase in jobs.

But now, as the boomers are retiring and the following generations are NOT
continuing to expand - the boomers had fewer kids than their parent's and
the boomer's kids are having fewer grandchildren - it seems to me that our
economy will have no option other than to contract.

Besides the point that there are fewer consumers following the boomers, the
boomers themselves are using and buying less in retirement, and as they pass
on they will leave a plethora or homes, buildings and other hard assets like
cars, furniture, property and such to their heirs. Which may reduce the
consumption of the inheriting generation.

I am curious if anyone else has noticed or considered this? Will the
passing of the boomers cause our economy to contract, and if so how long
until we see it get back to where it was?

I know that none of know the answer to these questions. I'm just curious if
anyone else has contemplated this.

Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, ABA


Posted by Wallace on January 13, 2010, 7:13 pm



>I haven't seen this posted or discussed hardly anywhere and I'd be very
>interested in the groups take on my perception.
>
> Part of what has been driving our expanding economy over the last 60 years
> has been the growth of the baby boomers. As they've grown they've needed
> cars, homes, TVs, clothes and all the stuff we all need and use daily.
>
> This increase in consumption led to an increase in production. Hence,
> we've had a lot of stuff produced which led to an increase in jobs.
>
> But now, as the boomers are retiring and the following generations are NOT
> continuing to expand - the boomers had fewer kids than their parent's and
> the boomer's kids are having fewer grandchildren - it seems to me that our
> economy will have no option other than to contract.
>
> Besides the point that there are fewer consumers following the boomers,
> the boomers themselves are using and buying less in retirement, and as
> they pass on they will leave a plethora or homes, buildings and other hard
> assets like cars, furniture, property and such to their heirs. Which may
> reduce the consumption of the inheriting generation.
>
> I am curious if anyone else has noticed or considered this? Will the
> passing of the boomers cause our economy to contract, and if so how long
> until we see it get back to where it was?
>
> I know that none of know the answer to these questions. I'm just curious
> if anyone else has contemplated this.

I just heard someone talking about this the other day. That makes sense.
Unless we keep our immigration unchecked. Too bad the boomers didn't
control their wasteful spending and instead paid to get our infrastructure
in order. What happened is the equivalent of people getting old without
paying down the mortgage, then wondering why they have no place to live in
their old age.


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Posted by Larry on January 14, 2010, 5:06 am


>
>
>
> >I haven't seen this posted or discussed hardly anywhere and I'd be very
> >interested in the groups take on my perception.
>
> > Part of what has been driving our expanding economy over the last 60 years
> > has been the growth of the baby boomers.  As they've grown they've needed
> > cars, homes, TVs, clothes and all the stuff we all need and use daily.
>
> > This increase in consumption led to an increase in production.  Hence,
> > we've had a lot of stuff produced which led to an increase in jobs.
>
> > But now, as the boomers are retiring and the following generations are NOT
> > continuing to expand - the boomers had fewer kids than their parent's and
> > the boomer's kids are having fewer grandchildren - it seems to me that our
> > economy will have no option other than to contract.
>
> > Besides the point that there are fewer consumers following the boomers,
> > the boomers themselves are using and buying less in retirement, and as
> > they pass on they will leave a plethora or homes, buildings and other hard
> > assets like cars, furniture, property and such to their heirs.  Which may
> > reduce the consumption of the inheriting generation.
>
> > I am curious if anyone else has noticed or considered this?  Will the
> > passing of the boomers cause our economy to contract, and if so how long
> > until we see it get back to where it was?
>
> > I know that none of know the answer to these questions.  I'm just curious
> > if anyone else has contemplated this.
>
> I just heard someone talking about this the other day.  That makes sense.
> Unless we keep our immigration unchecked.  Too bad the boomers didn't
> control their wasteful spending and instead paid to get our infrastructure
> in order.  What happened is the equivalent of people getting old without
> paying down the mortgage, then wondering why they have no place to live in
> their old age.
>
> ======================================= MODERATOR'S COMMENT:
>  Please trim the post to which you respond.  "Trim" means that except for some
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I guess I am one of those baby boomers you are talking about and I
have a whole different view from yours.

I really think the problem about not spending enough on infrastructure
comes from funding for our foreign wars, starting with Vietnam. What
a horrible waste of human and financial resources and ditto for both
Gulf wars. When we retreated from Vietnam we left billions and
billions of dollars (in 1970 dollars) of hardware in our panic retreat
not too mention the decimation of their environment with Agent Orange,
a serious problem that we may be asked to fix. Fourty years later and
we are still paying for that war. Also our veterans who fought in VN
and were exposed to Agent Orange are asking to be treated for ailments
that were connected to exposure to Agent Orange. And that is just one
example of the medical costs of war. Wars, not baby boomers, is
something that continues to drain funding from infrastructure.

I thought it was ironic that Robert McNamara, the architect of the
Vietnam War, said a couple of years ago in his film "The Fog of
War"..."Oops, I made a mistake!" Back in the 60s many of us were
trying to tell him that, but no one would listen.

So blame the lack of infrastructure support on our politicians who
seem to find the devil and evil lurking behind every tree.

The infrastructure problem is so bad in this country that in the four
states I have lived in, the drinking water could not pass minimum
federal standards for safety, necessitating the use of bottled
drinking water. I continue to use bottled water for drinking purpose
because of a recent salmonella outbreak in the city water supply.

So lets start supporting infrastructure funding and get out of the
world policing business! I do not baby boomers, like myself, are the
problem here!

Larry


Posted by Don on January 14, 2010, 12:31 pm



> I really think the problem about not spending enough on infrastructure
> comes from funding for our foreign wars, starting with Vietnam. What
> a horrible waste of human and financial resources and ditto for both
> Gulf wars.

Yes, there is always one more war that is absolutely essential for
national security and survival. And at first, every war seems that it
will be just as easy and as temporary as going into Grenada and Panama
turned out to be. But, like the overly optimistic family who buys a big
house with big mortgage payments, it usually turns out that unexpected
things happen, and the long-term cost is a lot more than predicted.


Posted by Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, AB on January 18, 2010, 3:18 pm


>>

SNIPPAGE for the moderators

> I guess I am one of those baby boomers you are talking about and I
> have a whole different view from yours.
>
> I really think the problem about not spending enough on infrastructure
> comes from funding for our foreign wars . . .

More Snippage

I respectfully disagree with you, though likely only in the details.
Government spending is OUT of CONTROL, but I don't think its all related to
war or any military action. Frankly, if I even thought there was the
possibility of a threat I'd rather take it to them than wait for it to come
here.

On the other hand, OUR government - those WE put in office - have continued
to spend on government programs, many of which have shown no positive
progress. We have more government programs than every before and our
economy continues to decline.

Suppose I said that the FDIC was a bad idea to start with!

Prior to the FDIC banks had to maintain enough cash to cover any need
depositors might have. They did some investing to make money,to keep from
charging fees to depositors, but they were careful about their lending
practices. The FDIC allows banks to make risky loans, loans that they
should NOT make. So what if the bank fails, the FDIC will make depositors
whole so it doesn't really matter, or does it.

If I came to you and said I was going to Vegas and while I usually win a
little I sometimes lose BIG, but I don't want to risk all of MY money so
would you mind giving me some of yours. If I win I promise to share it with
you, but if I lose you'll be out too. I doubt you'd loan me any money.

But that is exactly what the FDIC has allowed the banks to do. And congress
exacerbated it by forcing the banks to make loans to low income, bad risk
clients.

Now we have a Federal Banking Oversight System to watch the banks and guess
what, the ones that made bad loans failed - JUST LIKE THEY SHOULD HAVE. But
instead of the depositor taking the hit, like he should have for trusting a
bank that made bad loans, society takes the hit because our tax dollars are
used to make the depositor whole.

AND the Banking System Oversight employees are still employed, still drawing
a check from our taxes.

I think the answer here is to move back to the Free Market System - if your
business fails it is because it isn't efficient enough to survive in the
economy. No shame in that, but suck it up and move on.

Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, ABA


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