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Rental Car Collections & Credit Score Bill Woessner 07-09-2008
Posted by Bill Woessner on July 9, 2008, 8:14 pm
This is a long story so I'm just going to hit the important points.
Two months ago, I rented a car in Houston. A woman hit me. She was
at fault and her insurnace company (Allstate) paid to repair the
rental. I thought that was the end of the story.

But a month ago, I got a bill from the rental car company (DTG). They
wanted $37.13 for "loss of use" and $50 for "administration". I
assumed they had simply mailed the bill to the wrong place. So I
faxed it over to Allstate. After nearly a month of trying to get the
adjuster to return my calls, I finally spoke with his supervisor who
was able to get him to call me. He told me it simply is not their
policy to pay these charges, even when their driver incurred them.

So I called over to DTG and explained the situation to them. I asked
them to send the bill to Allstate and/or the other driver. They
refused. I asked them to waive the fees. They refused. I asked them
to produce the fleet utilization log so I could see that they had
actually suffered a loss, rather than just making it up. They refused
(claiming the logs are company confidental, like they contain trade
secrets or something). Finally, I asked what would happen if I simply
didn't pay the bill. They said they would send it to collections and
it would show up in my credit report.

Now I feel a very strange dichotomy about this. One the one hand,
I've reached a point in my life where $87.13 is just no big deal.
However, I feel like I'm being charged with a "just because" fee and
I'm absolutely outraged by it. I REALLY don't want to pay this bill.
I would rather pay a lawyer $500 per hour to fight this than send DTG
the $87.13. In fact, I'm prepared to ignore this bill, even it means
my otherwise spotless credit will be damaged.

So here's the FP question. What kind of damage am I looking at here?
As I said, my credit is spotless (800+). Are we talking about a 10
point drop? A 100 point drop? And how long will it take to go away?
I just took out my last mortgage for the forseeable future. I pay for
my cars with cash. I sometimes apply for new credit cards to get
signup bonuses or better rewards. But I'm relative satisfied with my
current two cards so I have no NEED to do that.

In summary, my credit is excellent and I don't think I'm going to need
new credit any time soon. So if the hit to my credit score is going
to be small or the damage will go away relatively quickly, I'm going
to seriously consider taking the hit. But if it's going to be
catastropic, I'll swallow my pride and send them the check.

I appreciate any advice you can offer, either on the FP front or
fighting DTG.

Thanks in advance,
Bill

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Posted by Dave Dodson on July 9, 2008, 8:53 pm
> I appreciate any advice you can offer, either on the FP front or
> fighting DTG.

This kind of thing would really bug me, too, and, like you, I'd be
inclined to be as unresponsive as they are. Is there anything at all
about these charges in your rental contract? If not, I'd write them
and ask them to explain their right to recover these amounts from you,
and refuse to pay until they produced a satisfactory explanation. If
they ding your credit report, you can always add your statement to
your report explaining that they could not justify the charges under
your rental contract, but that you are willing to pay them if they can
do so.

Dave

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Posted by Will Trice on July 9, 2008, 9:06 pm
Similar thing happened to me but I got hit with something like $1600 for
loss of use. I assume that you didn't take the rental insurance, but
did you pay with a credit card? A lot of credit cards have rental car
insurance that will cover loss of use.

If not, I think the negative event stays on your credit report for 7 years?


-Will

william dot trice at ngc dot com

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Posted by PeterL on July 10, 2008, 1:29 am
> This is a long story so I'm just going to hit the important points.
> Two months ago, I rented a car in Houston.  A woman hit me.  She was
> at fault and her insurnace company (Allstate) paid to repair the
> rental.  I thought that was the end of the story.
>
> But a month ago, I got a bill from the rental car company (DTG).  They
> wanted $37.13 for "loss of use" and $50 for "administration".  I
> assumed they had simply mailed the bill to the wrong place.  So I
> faxed it over to Allstate.  After nearly a month of trying to get the
> adjuster to return my calls, I finally spoke with his supervisor who
> was able to get him to call me.  He told me it simply is not their
> policy to pay these charges, even when their driver incurred them.
>
> So I called over to DTG and explained the situation to them.  I asked
> them to send the bill to Allstate and/or the other driver.  They
> refused.  I asked them to waive the fees.  They refused.  I asked them
> to produce the fleet utilization log so I could see that they had
> actually suffered a loss, rather than just making it up.  They refused
> (claiming the logs are company confidental, like they contain trade
> secrets or something).  Finally, I asked what would happen if I simply
> didn't pay the bill.  They said they would send it to collections and
> it would show up in my credit report.
>
> Now I feel a very strange dichotomy about this.  One the one hand,
> I've reached a point in my life where $87.13 is just no big deal.
> However, I feel like I'm being charged with a "just because" fee and
> I'm absolutely outraged by it.  I REALLY don't want to pay this bill.
> I would rather pay a lawyer $500 per hour to fight this than send DTG
> the $87.13.  In fact, I'm prepared to ignore this bill, even it means
> my otherwise spotless credit will be damaged.
>
> So here's the FP question.  What kind of damage am I looking at here?
> As I said, my credit is spotless (800+).  Are we talking about a 10
> point drop?  A 100 point drop?  And how long will it take to go away?
> I just took out my last mortgage for the forseeable future.  I pay for
> my cars with cash.  I sometimes apply for new credit cards to get
> signup bonuses or better rewards.  But I'm relative satisfied with my
> current two cards so I have no NEED to do that.
>
> In summary, my credit is excellent and I don't think I'm going to need
> new credit any time soon.  So if the hit to my credit score is going
> to be small or the damage will go away relatively quickly, I'm going
> to seriously consider taking the hit.  But if it's going to be
> catastropic, I'll swallow my pride and send them the check.
>
> I appreciate any advice you can offer, either on the FP front or
> fighting DTG.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bill
>


Couple of points: 1. Ask your own auto insurance agent for some
advice. 2. Have a lawyer friend draft a letter requesting specific
information to support their contention.

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Posted by rick++ on July 10, 2008, 10:30 am

> But a month ago, I got a bill from the rental car company (DTG). They
> wanted $37.13 for "loss of use" and $50 for "administration".

NY Times travel section had article about this a few months ago.
Mentioned rental companies were inventing all kinds of new fees
that credit card insurance and personal automobile insurance
wont cover. No answer to this other than some state attorney
generals are looking into it. Other segments of the travel industry
are doin the same - the "list price" of a airline ticket or hotle room
is often far below the billed price.

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