How Much Is A Credit Score (FICO) Worth?

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How Much Is A Credit Score (FICO) Worth? abby 05-16-2008
Posted by Default User on May 19, 2008, 2:30 pm
Mark Bole wrote:

> Default User wrote:

> > That's credit. It's not what I've ever heard describe as a loan. A
> > loan is generally a specific amount for a specific purpose. The
> > fact that both loans and credit have interest (possibly) doesn't
> > matter.
>
> Upon first reading this sub-thread, I was inclined to agree with
> Elizabeth

I don't want to go round and round with this. It's up to the OP to
clarify what HE meant by loan. If he meant "any use of credit" then my
little anecdote was not applicable. If he meant a car or home loan,
then it was.

I will certainly agree that someone with no credit history won't have a
FICO. As far as no credit history for ten years or so, I frankly don't
know.




Brian

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Posted by Daniel T. on May 19, 2008, 9:22 pm

[much snippage to help focus]

> Credit is routinely extended as part of many business transactions.
> Store owners, construction contractors, patrons in a bar, even employers
> -- all are commonly the recipients of goods or services provided up
> front on credit, the only requirement being that the provider trusts
> that they will receive payment at some point. There is no expectation
> or desire that the original good or service will be returned, only that
> it will be paid for. (The root meaning of "credit" is "trust").
>
> A loan actually requires the return of the original thing borrowed,
> frequently with a charge for the use of it. In the case of money, this
> is interest; in the case of a DVD movie or a car at the airport, it is a
> rental fee.
>
> A "credit card" muddies the waters to the extent that it is a two-phase
> transaction. During the first phase, the card holder's grace period, a
> balance on the card represents credit extended to the holder, which the
> merchant has outsourced to the card company in exchange for a service
> fee paid by the *merchant*.
>
> After the grace period, if the credit balance is not paid in full, the
> merchant is out of the picture and the card holder now has a loan from
> the *credit card company* and is expected to return the money which was
> borrowed to close out the credit balance. A cash advance is a pure loan
> from the outset, with no credit or merchant involved, which is why there
> is no grace period for a cash advance.

The above is the heart of the issue AFAICT. The question in my mind is
this, if you use *credit* but never have a *loan* (i.e. you always pay
off your credit cards before the grace period ends,) does it help or
hinder your FICO (or neither)?

It seems to me that timely payments on loans increase your FICO while
credit use (paying off the cards before interest accrues) does not. As
such, a good FICO cost considerably more than the eight dollars the OP
mentioned. Am I right? I can't say because there isn't enough
information for me to work with. There doesn't seem to be enough
information for *anybody* to figure out the right answer.

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Posted by Douglas Johnson on May 19, 2008, 10:08 pm

>It seems to me that timely payments on loans increase your FICO while
>credit use (paying off the cards before interest accrues) does not.

This doesn't make sense to me. Why would borrowing money regularly (don't
hair-split the term) and paying it off regularly be bad for your score?

It shows the ability, willingness, and discipline to handle credit. It also
shows an aversion to usurious interest rates, but Fair Isaac doesn't care about
that.

I haven't had a loan in over ten years, always pay my credit cards in full each
month, and have a top drawer FICO score. -- Doug

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Posted by Daniel T. on May 19, 2008, 10:36 pm
>
> > It seems to me that timely payments on loans increase your FICO
> > while credit use (paying off the cards before interest accrues)
> > does not.
>
> This doesn't make sense to me. Why would borrowing money regularly
> (don't hair-split the term) and paying it off regularly be bad for
> your score?
>
> It shows the ability, willingness, and discipline to handle credit.
> It also shows an aversion to usurious interest rates, but Fair
> Isaac doesn't care about that.

Really? I'm not so sure. I expect that Fair Isaac cares about what their
customers care about. Their customers are not you and me, rather they
are lending institutions. I expect that lending institutions do care
about consumers willingness to pay "usurious interest rates", or at
least that makes sense to me.

> I haven't had a loan in over ten years, always pay my credit cards
> in full each month, and have a top drawer FICO score.

Well, the FICO score depends on other things besides punctuality of
payment, for example your ratio of outstanding revolving debt to total
possible revolving debt. I expect you are in good standing there.

So the question to ask is, would your score go up or down (or remain
unchanged) if you took out a loan (non-revolving debt) and made "timely
payments"? Myfico.com claims that doing so would raise your FICO "in the
long run."

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Posted by Douglas Johnson on May 20, 2008, 1:42 pm

>> I haven't had a loan in over ten years, always pay my credit cards
>> in full each month, and have a top drawer FICO score.
>
>Well, the FICO score depends on other things besides punctuality of
>payment, for example your ratio of outstanding revolving debt to total
>possible revolving debt. I expect you are in good standing there.

Sure. One side effect of prompt payment (regardless of whether you carry a
balance) is that they keep raising your credit limit. By the way, there are
only two credit cards involved here. You don't need lots of cards to get a good
score, either.

>So the question to ask is, would your score go up or down (or remain
>unchanged) if you took out a loan (non-revolving debt) and made "timely
>payments"? Myfico.com claims that doing so would raise your FICO "in the
>long run."

It might, but who cares? I used myself as a counter example to the original
assertion that someone needs to pay $5-$10K in interest to get a top notch FICO
score. They don't.

-- Doug

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