Home Ownership by Two People

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Home Ownership by Two People Elle 06-20-2007
Posted by Elle on June 20, 2007, 12:20 pm
Guy A and Gal B want to "jointly own and occupy" a house.
This is a not a landlord-tenant relationship but a roommate
relationship.

Guy A currently is the sole owner of the house and has a
mortgage on it. He has very little equity in it. The house
is a one-year-old purchase and is in excellent repair, a
safe location, blah blah seems a good, solid, modest home.
The house has appreciated maybe 5% over the one year. Plus
of course some of the principal has been paid down.

Gal B does not want a mortgage. She prefers to pay cash for
her "share" of owning the house. The couple plan to share
the costs of the home 50/50.

Assuming both want equal ownership rights in the house, what
is reasonable for Gal A to pay? Simply half today's
appraised value of the home?

Any other financial caveats for what is contemplated here?

Assume A and B have been thoroughly interviewed and checked
out for integrity, financial responsibility, etc. They
desire some kind of partnership with legal binding
implications insofar as ensuring their respective financial
interests in the house are preserved.


Posted by Douglas Johnson on June 20, 2007, 2:04 pm

>Gal B does not want a mortgage. She prefers to pay cash for
>her "share" of owning the house.

Unless Guy A has enough money to pay off his half, there will still be a
mortgage on the house and Gal B will be responsible for if she becomes an owner.

>Assuming both want equal ownership rights in the house, what
>is reasonable for Gal A to pay? Simply half today's
>appraised value of the home?

Probably.

>
>Any other financial caveats for what is contemplated here?

Is there a due on sale clause in the mortgage? If so, it might get triggered by
a sale of a part interest. Presumably they want to get the house in both their
names as joint tenants with right of survivorship. They probably also want
wills that give each other the rights to house and contents.

They might also want a partnership agreement specifying how they would handle a
break up. Hmmm. I think I'd want a lawyer involved.

-- Doug


Posted by Avrum Lapin on June 20, 2007, 5:35 pm


>
> >Gal B does not want a mortgage. She prefers to pay cash for
> >her "share" of owning the house.
>
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> >Assuming both want equal ownership rights in the house, what
> >is reasonable for Gal A to pay? Simply half today's
> >appraised value of the home?
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> >Any other financial caveats for what is contemplated here?
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Is this more than a business relationship. There needs to be written
provisions - see a lawyer who does pre-nups a lawyer for him and one for
her or a partnership agreement if this is strictly business. There are
also lawyers who do ""shack up" agreements.

When the house is sold the mortgage company stands 1st in line. If her
contribution is used to pay down half the outstanding mortgage, then she
could be listed as a 2nd lien holder and come right after the mortgage
company.

When I remarried (2nd marriage for both of us) my wife had some equity
in her house. I added a room (cost was about equal to her equity) and am
now listed on the deed as half owner. Mortgage is still in her name and
we are paying it off jointly.


Posted by Elle on June 20, 2007, 7:08 pm
> There are also lawyers who do ""shack up" agreements.

> When the house is sold the mortgage company stands 1st in
> line. If her
> contribution is used to pay down half the outstanding
> mortgage, then she
> could be listed as a 2nd lien holder and come right after
> the mortgage
> company.
>
> When I remarried (2nd marriage for both of us) my wife had
> some equity
> in her house. I added a room (cost was about equal to her
> equity) and am
> now listed on the deed as half owner. Mortgage is still in
> her name and
> we are paying it off jointly.

These experiences help. Thank you.


Posted by Elle on June 20, 2007, 7:08 pm
>
>>Gal B does not want a mortgage. She prefers to pay cash
>>for
>>her "share" of owning the house.
>
> Unless Guy A has enough money to pay off his half, there
> will still be a
> mortgage on the house and Gal B will be responsible for if
> she becomes an owner.

Oh dear. What you say makes sense, and this now is indeed a
concern. Or maybe it's a "dealbreaker."

> Is there a due on sale clause in the mortgage? If so, it
> might get triggered by
> a sale of a part interest. Presumably they want to get
> the house in both their
> names as joint tenants with right of survivorship. They
> probably also want
> wills that give each other the rights to house and
> contents.
>
> They might also want a partnership agreement specifying
> how they would handle a
> break up. Hmmm. I think I'd want a lawyer involved.

Yes, I think an attorney one way or another is going to have
to get involved in any "joint" home purchase, for the peace
of mind of both A and B.

Understood about survivorship etc.

I guess it's a vexing situation since (1) the two will not
marry and so are not a legal "partnership" in this sense;
(2) the two have different goals for their money. For Guy A,
a mortgage makes some sense, because he does not have the
cash and can refinance at a low interest rate. Gal B (me, in
early retirement, so no job income a bank can examine, and
so banks do not like folks like me for mortgages?) probably
would not qualify for a mortgage, or if she did, it would
not necessarily be at a super low interest rate. Plus the
transaction fees of a mortgage are money down the drain to
Gal B.

I suppose Gal B could still consider obtaining a mortgage as
an investment, leaving the money she would have used to buy
half the house in stocks and bonds. Or Guy A might be
ultimately convinced to pay down the mortgage, using Gal B's
half and contributing the other half himself.

Thanks for the input, Douglas and Rick. I spoke to another
on this as well, and all the discussion is clarifying my
thoughts. There is no rush, but Guy A and Gal B are
considering some what-ifs. They want to go into anything
with eyes wide open and so make this or any other
arrangement work as well as it can.


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