Help with some financial planning

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Help with some financial planning AB 09-24-2006
Posted by Sgt.Sausage on September 26, 2006, 3:59 pm


> Here is my current situation:

[snip]

> Combined monthly income: 7300
> Combined Mortgage (1st and Heloc): 3000

[snip]

> I really appreciate any help you can offer.

I don't want to be blunt and "in your face", but you're teetering
on being "house poor". You're currently paying over 40% of
your take-home on the house -- and getting nowhere fast:

> ... I have been making Interest only payments on this load since its
> inception in June 04 ...

So ... you're paying 40% of your income to "lease" your
house from the bank. What's your wife make? I'll assume
$2500 of the $7300 -- substitute your own numbers since
we don't know 'em.

After she quits, you'll be at over 60% of your take-home
being spent on your house:

3000/(7300-2500) = .625 = 62.5%

You're now paying 62.5% of your income on a house
you will never own because you're paying the interest
only option.

You are borderline "house poor" at the moment. There
will be no question about it once you lose your wife's
income. In addition, you'll have more expenses when the
kids come along.

My rule of thumb (which nobody here likes) is between
1 and 2 times annual income on a house loan. That puts
an upper limit of about $175K on the house you can
truly afford with your income. A thirty year fixed, at
today's rates, on 175K works out to a bit over $1,000
a month for your mortgage -- and that should be the
upper bound.

Then again, I'm over conservative with respect to
mortgages on a primary residence -- and folks don't like
to hear my numbers.

You asked for help ... here's my advise: Sell the house
and get into something you can actually afford. The
rest will be gravy once you've done that.




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Posted by HW \"Skip\" Weldon on September 26, 2006, 5:00 pm
wrote:

>You asked for help ... here's my advise: Sell the house
>and get into something you can actually afford. The
>rest will be gravy once you've done that.

Sgt one of the things I enjoy about your posts is that I don't have to
consult a dictionary to understand what you mean. I suspect other
readers enjoy that simple, direct approach too.


-HW "Skip" Weldon
Columbia, SC


Posted by Mark Bole on September 26, 2006, 7:40 pm
Sgt.Sausage wrote:

>>Combined monthly income: 7300
>>Combined Mortgage (1st and Heloc): 3000

>>... I have been making Interest only payments on this load since its
>>inception in June 04 ...

In fact, with a traditional 30-year fixed rate mortgage, most of the
payment for quite a few years is essentially "interest-only", so don't
sweat this particular item.

> You asked for help ... here's my advise: Sell the house
> and get into something you can actually afford. The
> rest will be gravy once you've done that.

Others also have suggested selling the house -- I disagree. Paying a
5-6% real estate sales commission plus other closing and moving costs is
probably the worst thing the OP could do at this point (talk about an
unnecessary expense!). What's done is done -- it can be well within
the OP's means to keep the house, establish an emergency reserve (via
paid-down HELOC), and still afford to have kids, if not in two years
then maybe 3 or 4.

If they are truly in an "oversized house" (something we do not know,
since we do not know their location nor the employment outlook for
same), then why not rent out a room?

If nothing else, maybe potential grandparents will kick in if they think
the pitter-patter of little feet is imminent... ;-)

-Mark Bole


Posted by John A. Weeks III on September 26, 2006, 10:15 pm

> Sgt.Sausage wrote:
>
> >>Combined monthly income: 7300
> >>Combined Mortgage (1st and Heloc): 3000
>
> >>... I have been making Interest only payments on this load since its
> >>inception in June 04 ...
>
> In fact, with a traditional 30-year fixed rate mortgage, most of the
> payment for quite a few years is essentially "interest-only", so don't
> sweat this particular item.

A house is often the largest financial transaction that one makes
during a lifetime. Don't sweat it is the financial equivalent of
the ostrich burying his head in the sand. On the contrary, this
is the one deal that simply has to be right or you can mess up a
lifetime of finances.

> > You asked for help ... here's my advise: Sell the house
> > and get into something you can actually afford. The
> > rest will be gravy once you've done that.
>
> Others also have suggested selling the house -- I disagree. Paying a
> 5-6% real estate sales commission plus other closing and moving costs is
> probably the worst thing the OP could do at this point (talk about an
> unnecessary expense!). What's done is done

And in a few years when it gets repo's, we can again say that
what is done is done.

> -- it can be well within
> the OP's means to keep the house, establish an emergency reserve (via
> paid-down HELOC), and still afford to have kids, if not in two years
> then maybe 3 or 4.

And what are they going to do for retirement? Fight the neighborhood
dogs and cats to get the scraps out the dumpsters? There are a lot
of variables here, and having one so far out of whack can and does
have a lifetime of consequences.

> If they are truly in an "oversized house"

It isn't the oversized house, it is the oversized price. They
bought twice too much house, and now they are drowning in it.

> (something we do not know,
> since we do not know their location nor the employment outlook for
> same), then why not rent out a room?

So, what as that girl's name from Utah...Elizabeth Smart? In
this day and age, you cannot let someone else live in your house,
especially if you have small kids. You never know when someone
is going to go tapioca anymore.

> If nothing else, maybe potential grandparents will kick in if they think
> the pitter-patter of little feet is imminent... ;-)

That is great advice...let the parents, people who were responsible
and skimped and saved their entire life so they could afford to retire,
and have them raid their only money to pay for the irresponsibility
of the children. That must be the new Amerikan Way. I'd rather see
live kick them in the assets a bit, and hope that they learn the
lesson well the first time.

-john-

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