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Help with some financial planning AB 09-24-2006
Posted by Elizabeth Richardson on October 1, 2006, 1:28 pm

> > For house #1 it was a condo, house #1 and within 1 year of moving I
> > received a raise from work and my wife got a new job. Payment was one
> > of my paychecks. Still had some debt when we moved in.
>
> In my opinion, spending a full paycheck on shelter is totally out of
> whack. You should spend no more than 1/2 a paycheck, 1/3 is even
> better. In the situation above, one paycheck each month goes to
> a building, which leaves on one paycheck a month for living expenses,
> entertainment, and savings for the future. One of these ends up
> short changed, and the person is living in a high risk situation.
> An interruption in the pay check flow means the house goes away.

Aren't you jumping to conclusions? Nowhere does it say how often he got
paid, so you don't know for certain that he received only one other check
per month. Additionally, you conveniently forgot that his wife also had a
job, so, even if he did, in fact, get paid twice monthly, there was other
income in the household. John, you so easily assume everyone else is
financially irresponsible and that just isn't fair to the vast majority of
posters to this newsgroup.

Elizabeth Richardson


Posted by John A. Weeks III on October 1, 2006, 6:50 pm

> > > For house #1 it was a condo, house #1 and within 1 year of moving I
> > > received a raise from work and my wife got a new job. Payment was one
> > > of my paychecks. Still had some debt when we moved in.
> >
> > In my opinion, spending a full paycheck on shelter is totally out of
> > whack. You should spend no more than 1/2 a paycheck, 1/3 is even
> > better. In the situation above, one paycheck each month goes to
> > a building, which leaves on one paycheck a month for living expenses,
> > entertainment, and savings for the future. One of these ends up
> > short changed, and the person is living in a high risk situation.
> > An interruption in the pay check flow means the house goes away.
>
> Aren't you jumping to conclusions? Nowhere does it say how often he got
> paid, so you don't know for certain that he received only one other check
> per month.

Yes, I did jump to a conclusion. One has to. There isn't enough
time and space on this page to say everything about one person's life,
and I cannot force people to write all the details that one would
like to have. So, knowing that most poeple in the US that get a
regular paycheck get one every other week, or one a month, so when
he said "one of his paychecks", I knew that there was at least 2,
and I was willing to bet my on-line reputation that was exactly 2.
Sometimes you have to be willing to risk it all when the odds are
in your favor.

> Additionally, you conveniently forgot that his wife also had a
> job, so, even if he did, in fact, get paid twice monthly, there was other
> income in the household.

I don't put too much emphasis on a wife's income unless the poster
writes that it is substantial. All too often, what I see is a
woman who hardly turns a profit after paying for daycare, a car
to drive to work, extra work clothes, and gas and insurance for that
car. Then many women choose to take time off for children, or have
child responsibility and have to leave work often to pick up sick
kids from school. Again, if you have to count on that to make ends
meet, then I suggest that you are playing the wrong game.

> John, you so easily assume everyone else is
> financially irresponsible and that just isn't fair to the vast majority of
> posters to this newsgroup.

Actually, a few postings back, I saw you write something that struck
me as something that I could have written. You are just a little
nicer than I am. I don't tend to coddle anyone, and I am not going
to lie to anyone or give them a pat on the back for doing something
that I think is dumb. I don't so much think that folks are
irresponsible. Rather, I think many younger folks lack life
experience and don't realize the long term risks. And I think that
too many people are so wrapped up in their day to day lives that they
don't stop to think about what they are doing long term. But I think
one could make a good argument for irresponsible if you look at all the
zero down loans, the astoundingly high foreclosure rate, the vast
amount of credit card debt, the evaporation of home equity used to
by consumer goods, the tiny amount that most people have saved for
retirement, and on and on and on.

-john-

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John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com
Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
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Posted by Elizabeth Richardson on October 1, 2006, 7:33 pm


> I don't put too much emphasis on a wife's income unless the poster
> writes that it is substantial.

[a lot of other chauvinistic and discriminatory drivel snipped.]

I clearly see that nothing of what you post has any validity.

Elizabeth Richardson


Posted by John A. Weeks III on October 1, 2006, 9:04 pm

>
> > I don't put too much emphasis on a wife's income unless the poster
> > writes that it is substantial.
>
> [a lot of other chauvinistic and discriminatory drivel snipped.]
> I clearly see that nothing of what you post has any validity.

Then you are clearly mistaken. I wrote nothing that was
discriminatory or chauvinistic. I merely stated a fact. A
fact is neither positive or negative, it just is.

The fact is that when a 2nd spouse enters the work force, and
has to obtain day care and transportation, the net profit from
such an adventure is normally relatively small, often times hardly
worth the effort. In our society, that 2nd spouse is most often
the woman of the family. I am sorry if you don't like how our
society works, but don't take it out on me if you don't like
the facts.

Of course, there are exceptions. 1% of the workforce are
people who earn in the top 1%. 5% of the workforce are people
who earn in the top 5%. The other 95% are in the bottom 95%.
Again, you don't have to like that, but since it is a fact,
you cannot argue if it is true or not.

-john-

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John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com
Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
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Posted by jIM on October 2, 2006, 5:02 am


> > >
> > > In my opinion, spending a full paycheck on shelter is totally out of
> > > whack. You should spend no more than 1/2 a paycheck, 1/3 is even
> > > better. In the situation above, one paycheck each month goes to
> > > a building, which leaves on one paycheck a month for living expenses,
> > > entertainment, and savings for the future. One of these ends up
> > > short changed, and the person is living in a high risk situation.
> > > An interruption in the pay check flow means the house goes away.

My Roth IRA was fully funded all those years, car was paid off prior to
moving in. Wife made 50% of my salary at the time.

> >
> > Aren't you jumping to conclusions? Nowhere does it say how often he got
> > paid, so you don't know for certain that he received only one other check
> > per month.
>
> Yes, I did jump to a conclusion. One has to. There isn't enough
> time and space on this page to say everything about one person's life,
> and I cannot force people to write all the details that one would
> like to have. So, knowing that most poeple in the US that get a
> regular paycheck get one every other week, or one a month, so when
> he said "one of his paychecks", I knew that there was at least 2,
> and I was willing to bet my on-line reputation that was exactly 2.
> Sometimes you have to be willing to risk it all when the odds are
> in your favor.

John was right and I do think bad he made that conclusion (even if it
were wrong). When I started with this company we were paid once per
month at the END of the month. That was tough first 6 weeks.

>
> > Additionally, you conveniently forgot that his wife also had a
> > job, so, even if he did, in fact, get paid twice monthly, there was other
> > income in the household.
>
> I don't put too much emphasis on a wife's income unless the poster
> writes that it is substantial. All too often, what I see is a
> woman who hardly turns a profit after paying for daycare, a car
> to drive to work, extra work clothes, and gas and insurance for that
> car. Then many women choose to take time off for children, or have
> child responsibility and have to leave work often to pick up sick
> kids from school. Again, if you have to count on that to make ends
> meet, then I suggest that you are playing the wrong game.
>
Between the two of us we make great money. My wife has much higher
earning potential in her field (Human Resources) than mine (software).
My salary has nearly doubled the 7 years I've worked in this job, but
I'm smart enough to see most of my wife friend's make 6 figures and
that will come to her in due time.


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