Had to move 401K to IRA. Can I now make it Roth IRA?

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Had to move 401K to IRA. Can I now make it Roth IRA? me 02-08-2007
Posted by on February 8, 2007, 4:33 pm
I was perm laid off from job Dec 2006. So I moved my
401K to a rollover IRA

Can I now convert it to a ROTH IRA?


Posted by joetaxpayer on February 8, 2007, 5:26 pm


me@privacy.net wrote:

> I was perm laid off from job Dec 2006. So I moved my
> 401K to a rollover IRA
>
> Can I now convert it to a ROTH IRA?

Yes, you can, and probably should.
Do you think you'll get a new job this year? If the amount is large
enough, you may want to move it a portion at a time, or plan to
recharacterize back if your income is high this year.
The new tax laws added a provision allowing conversion from 401(k) to
Roth IRA with no stop in between, but no harm either way.
JOE


Posted by on February 9, 2007, 5:03 am

> Yes, you can, and probably should.
> Do you think you'll get a new job this year? If the amount is large
> enough, you may want to move it a portion at a time, or plan to
> recharacterize back if your income is high this year.
> The new tax laws added a provision allowing conversion from 401(k) to
> Roth IRA with no stop in between, but no harm either way.
> JOE

Hmm, I didn't know you could convert them, and wouldn't have thought
it would be a good idea even if you could. Maybe I should consider
this...

I'm 26, and have a rollover IRA with money from a previous employer.
My current employer offers 401k but no matching. I'm about to open a
Roth IRA and begin contributing the maximum per year to that. Once
that's done, if I have anything left over, I'll put it in my company
401k. When I leave the company, I'll roll that into my existing
rollover IRA. Repeat for each successive company, unless they match,
in which case... you get the idea.

I guess the whole point of my focus on Roth IRA is the fact that I
know I'll be in a higher tax bracket when I retire, so it makes sense
to pay tax on the savings now at a lower rate, rather than defer it
and pay later at a higher one. So, by that logic, if I can convert my
rollover IRA to a Roth and pay tax on it now at that same rate, I
should. Interesting.


Posted by joetaxpayer on February 9, 2007, 9:15 am


omehegan@gmail.com wrote:
snip
> Hmm, I didn't know you could convert them [401(k) or IRAs to Roth IRA], and
wouldn't have thought
> it would be a good idea even if you could. Maybe I should consider
> this...
>
> I'm 26, and have a rollover IRA with money from a previous employer.
> My current employer offers 401k but no matching. I'm about to open a
> Roth IRA and begin contributing the maximum per year to that. Once
> that's done, if I have anything left over, I'll put it in my company
> 401k. When I leave the company, I'll roll that into my existing
> rollover IRA. Repeat for each successive company, unless they match,
> in which case... you get the idea.
>
> I guess the whole point of my focus on Roth IRA is the fact that I
> know I'll be in a higher tax bracket when I retire, so it makes sense
> to pay tax on the savings now at a lower rate, rather than defer it
> and pay later at a higher one. So, by that logic, if I can convert my
> rollover IRA to a Roth and pay tax on it now at that same rate, I
> should. Interesting.

Two points, when you leave a company (you imply you have frequent job
changes) it's probably good to move the money to your IRA, don't want a
half dozen 401(k)s left behind.

Why are you so sure you will be in a higher bracket at retirement?
Either way, being aware of your current bracket (certainly a known
figure, or knowable) and an idea of how your aiming toward retirement
can help guide your decisions. People with variable incomes have a great
opportunity to manipulate this way, converting at 15% in bad years,
building a retirement fund that may avoid taxes completely.

JOE


Posted by kastnna on February 9, 2007, 10:28 am
> Why are you so sure you will be in a higher bracket at retirement?

> JOE

Good question JOE. Everyone touts diversification to remove non-
systematic investment risk, but tax risk is often overlooked. No
matter how confident we feel about our future (tax wise, in this case)
we simply cannot know what Congress will do (over 40 years in the OPs
case)! Look how much has happened just in the recent past. Roths have
only been around for a decade and IRAs didn't appear until the early
70's ('74, I believe).

Of course, if you are in a 0 - 15% tax bracket you almost have nowhere
to go but up. You never know though!


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