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Great book on Equity Risk Premium: Goetzmann and Ibbotson raylopez99 11-28-2006
Posted by raylopez99 on December 5, 2006, 9:23 am

David Moore wrote:
> A free, recent, and very informative article on the equity premium is
> Dimson, Marsh, and Staunton, "The worldwide equity premium: a smaller
> puzzle" at http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=891620.
>

Thanks.

> You did read the definitive book by the same authors, Triumph of the
> Optimists: 101 Years of Global Investment Returns" Princeton U Press,
> 2002, right?
>
I heard about this book, but it costs $75 and it's hard to find
(according to Amazon), but I think part of it is covered in the book I
have (regarding world markets and survivorship bias)

RL


Posted by HW \"Skip\" Weldon on December 5, 2006, 9:56 am
wrote:


>> You did read the definitive book by the same authors, Triumph of the
>> Optimists: 101 Years of Global Investment Returns" Princeton U Press,
>> 2002, right?
>>
>I heard about this book, but it costs $75 and it's hard to find
>(according to Amazon), but I think part of it is covered in the book I
>have (regarding world markets and survivorship bias)

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Posted by raylopez99 on January 4, 2007, 4:59 am
Update: This paper by Dimson, Marsh and Staunton is informative but a
bit too optimistic about worldwide equity returns over the last 100
years.

For example, Table I of Dimson is grossly in error, according to the
data in the Goetzmann and Ibbotson book, chapter 16, "Global Stock
Markets in the 20th Century". The real equity returns in the Dimson
paper are wildly biased upwards (every single country shows upwards
bias from what's reported in Goetzmann et al). For example, Belgium
had a -0.26%/yr return says Geotzmann from 1921 to 1996 while Dimson
reports 2.4%/yr. The years are a bit off (1921 to 1996 for the former
and '1900' to 2005 for the latter--and every single country has a
'1900' value, when Goetzmann specifically says finding good data that
far back in every country is a problem) but if anything World War I
should have hurt Belgium even more, and I can't imagine the years
1995-2005 were boom years to the point that it would affect the
averages this much. Similarly South Africa had a -1.8%/yr return
(real) says Goetzmann et al while Dimson et al report 7.25%/yr.

RL


David Moore wrote:
> A free, recent, and very informative article on the equity premium is
> Dimson, Marsh, and Staunton, "The worldwide equity premium: a smaller
> puzzle" at http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=891620.
>
> You did read the definitive book by the same authors, Triumph of the
> Optimists: 101 Years of Global Investment Returns" Princeton U Press,
> 2002, right?
>
> David


Posted by raylopez99 on January 6, 2007, 11:59 am
Update to the update: apparently, rereading the paper, Dimson, Marsh
and Staunton refer to chap 16 of the Goetmann et al article (by Jorion
and Goetzmann) and claim the J&G article is biased too low since it
excludes foreign stock market dividends. If true, then I guess Dimson
et al are right after all.

RL

raylopez99 wrote:
> Update: This paper by Dimson, Marsh and Staunton is informative but a
> bit too optimistic about worldwide equity returns over the last 100
> years.
>
> For example, Table I of Dimson is grossly in error, according to the
> data in the Goetzmann and Ibbotson book, chapter 16, "Global Stock
> Markets in the 20th Century". The real equity returns in the Dimson
> paper are wildly biased upwards (every single country shows upwards
> bias from what's reported in Goetzmann et al). For example, Belgium
> had a -0.26%/yr return says Geotzmann from 1921 to 1996 while Dimson
> reports 2.4%/yr. The years are a bit off (1921 to 1996 for the former
> and '1900' to 2005 for the latter--and every single country has a
> '1900' value, when Goetzmann specifically says finding good data that
> far back in every country is a problem) but if anything World War I
> should have hurt Belgium even more, and I can't imagine the years
> 1995-2005 were boom years to the point that it would affect the
> averages this much. Similarly South Africa had a -1.8%/yr return
> (real) says Goetzmann et al while Dimson et al report 7.25%/yr.
>
> RL
>
>
> David Moore wrote:
> > A free, recent, and very informative article on the equity premium is
> > Dimson, Marsh, and Staunton, "The worldwide equity premium: a smaller
> > puzzle" at http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=891620.
> >
> > You did read the definitive book by the same authors, Triumph of the
> > Optimists: 101 Years of Global Investment Returns" Princeton U Press,
> > 2002, right?
> >
> > David


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