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Fixed Income Products kramer31 06-27-2008
Posted by kramer31 on June 27, 2008, 4:59 pm
Hi. I recently opened an IRA with Scottrade. Now, I was pretty
disappointed with the selection of financial products. The only fixed
income products (bond funds don't count--they float) are $10K minimum
CDs with a minimum of 1 year terms. They give 0.2% on all of your
cash holdings (which is basically nothing). I want something with a
reasonable rate of return without a time limit that I can put my money
in while I am waiting to invest it. 2.X% is fine or even high 1.X% as
long as I can take it out to trade when I want to (I have a Money
Market Account with a bank that I get 2.75% on). I called up their
customer service. The guy told me that since they aren't a bank, they
can't offer those sorts of products. That seemed like a BS answer to
me since they could loan that money to banks. He did however say that
if there are any products out there that I would like to see, I just
had to give him a CUSIP number (whatever that is) and they would add
that product.

So my question is this: does anyone know of any fixed income (i.e.
interest bearing) financial products whose CUSIPs I could give to
them.

If I can't get this fixed, I'll have to switch to a different IRA
provider. Any recommendations there? Low trading fees are important,
too.

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Posted by PeterL on June 27, 2008, 5:29 pm
> Hi.  I recently opened an IRA with Scottrade.  Now, I was pretty
> disappointed with the selection of financial products.  The only fixed
> income products (bond funds don't count--they float) are $10K minimum
> CDs with a minimum of 1 year terms.  They give 0.2% on all of your
> cash holdings (which is basically nothing).  I want something with a
> reasonable rate of return without a time limit that I can put my money
> in while I am waiting to invest it.  2.X% is fine or even high 1.X% as
> long as I can take it out to trade when I want to (I have a Money
> Market Account with a bank that I get 2.75% on).  I called up their
> customer service.  The guy told me that since they aren't a bank, they
> can't offer those sorts of products.  That seemed like a BS answer to
> me since they could loan that money to banks.  He did however say that
> if there are any products out there that I would like to see, I just
> had to give him a CUSIP number (whatever that is) and they would add
> that product.
>
> So my question is this: does anyone know of any fixed income (i.e.
> interest bearing) financial products whose CUSIPs I could give to
> them.
>
> If I can't get this fixed, I'll have to switch to a different IRA
> provider.  Any recommendations there?  Low trading fees are important,
> too.
>


You are not likely to get higher interest rates with your
requirement. You want low trading fee and high interest rates, sure,
we all want that. I too have money market accts that pay higher, but
not from inside an IRA.

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Posted by Will Trice on June 27, 2008, 6:36 pm


PeterL wrote:

> You are not likely to get higher interest rates with your
> requirement. You want low trading fee and high interest rates, sure,
> we all want that. I too have money market accts that pay higher, but
> not from inside an IRA.

My E-Trade IRAs have a choice of money market funds. But the interest
rate varies so that doesn't necessarily meet the OP's requirement.

-Will

william dot trice at ngc dot com

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Posted by Douglas Johnson on June 27, 2008, 7:32 pm


> 2.X% is fine or even high 1.X% as
>> long as I can take it out to trade when I want to (I have a Money
>> Market Account with a bank that I get 2.75% on).  I
>> If I can't get this fixed, I'll have to switch to a different IRA
>> provider.  Any recommendations there?  Low trading fees are important,
>> too.

E*Trade Bank is currently paying 3.15% on demand deposits. I assume they'll let
you open an IRA account. -- Doug

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Posted by TB on July 2, 2008, 11:48 am
kramer31 wrote:
> Hi. I recently opened an IRA with Scottrade. They give 0.2% on
> cash holdings (which is basically nothing). I want something with a
> reasonable rate of return without a time limit that I can put my money
> in while I am waiting to invest it.

The scenario you're describing is the reason I suggest that people look
closely at money-market rates when choosing a discount broker. Saving a
couple bucks per trade may be nothing compared to the "lost income" from
a chronically lousy MM rate.

A money-market fund would meet your criteria of "no time limit", and
that's a common way to get a better rate - use something other than the
"default" sweep fund. But it's a hassle and could introduce other costs.
When you want to buy another investment, you'd need to sell enough of
the money-market fund to provide the needed cash to settle your trade.
For some MM funds, there's a minimum trade in & out of the fund. And
each trade in and out might trigger a ticket charge. As an example,
Vanguard's money-market funds are likely to be "non-NTF" meaning you pay
a trade fee every time you buy or sell them. If the ticket fee is say
$10 in both directions that might eat up the rate advantage. Check that
though - review Scottrade's list of NTF (no transaction fee)
money-market funds to see if any have good rates.

As others have suggested the easiest answer may be simply using another
IRA custodian. If enough people head for the doors because of lousy MM
rates, perhaps the brokerage firms will pay better rates. Before you do
so, call and ask -- TD Ameritrade had a not-so-advertised better fund
available for IRAs that they pulled out of their pocket when I called
and said "I'm yanking my accounts, what are you doing to do about it?"

-Tad

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