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Posted by on March 15, 2008, 3:55 pm
I decided I am going to have my 401k to be rolled over into an IRA
account. Both of these accounts will be with Fidelity. Even after
reading the prospectus for the IRA, I am still concerned about fees
and taxes when money gets distributed. Its not that the prospectus
has a lot of legalese; if anything it seems uninformative.
Is there another method of finding out fees and taxes on a fund when
it's distributed?
I went to finra.org and used their Mutual Fund Expense Analyzer;
however it doesn't seem to work on this fund.
Thanks again.
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Posted by Dave Dodson on March 15, 2008, 4:34 pm
On Mar 15, 2:55 pm, marckas...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I decided I am going to have my 401k to be rolled over into an IRA
> account. Both of these accounts will be with Fidelity. Even after
> reading the prospectus for the IRA, I am still concerned about fees
> and taxes when money gets distributed. Its not that the prospectus
> has a lot of legalese; if anything it seems uninformative.
>
> Is there another method of finding out fees and taxes on a fund when
> it's distributed?
You speak of an "IRA account" and "both of these accounts" and use the
future tense. I don't understand why.
Fees: Fidelity mutual funds, and all other mutual funds, charge
accounts an annual fee to manage the fund, and sometimes, to pay sales
expenses. This fee is called the expense ratio, differs from fund to
fund, and is clearly spelled out in the prospectus. There also is a
standard example of how much the fees will amount to over a period of
time so that you can compare funds on an apples-to-apples basis.
Fidelity does not charge distribution fees.
Taxes: Distributions from an IRA account are taxed as ordinary income
in the year you take the distribution. Depending on your state law,
they may also be subject to state income tax. If you have made non-
deductible contributions to any of your IRA accounts, the portion of
you distribution that can be attributed to the non-deductible
contribution is not taxed. This is computed on IRS Form 8606, the same
form that you fill out when you make non-deductible contributions. It
will not matter which fund you use for your IRA; the taxes will be
computed the same way.
I hope this helps. Maybe I totally misunderstood your question. If so,
post again.
Dave
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Posted by Mark Freeland on March 16, 2008, 9:10 am
> On Mar 15, 2:55 pm, marckas...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I decided I am going to have my 401k to be rolled over into an IRA
>> account. Both of these accounts will be with Fidelity. Even after
>> reading the prospectus for the IRA, I am still concerned about fees
>> and taxes when money gets distributed. Its not that the prospectus
>> has a lot of legalese; if anything it seems uninformative.
>>
>> Is there another method of finding out fees and taxes on a fund when
>> it's distributed?
>
> You speak of an "IRA account" and "both of these accounts" and use the
> future tense. I don't understand why.
Another area of seeming confusion is "prospectus for the IRA". Prospectuses
describe funds, not IRA agreements. As Dave described, the fees that funds
charge are described in the fund prospectus. The fees that are charged for
maintaining the IRA (separate from the fund fees) are described in the IRA
agreement. Fidelity charges nothing to own an IRA; other places may charge
a nominal fee (e.g. $10/year) for the IRA as a whole, or a fee for each fund
held within the IRA.
Just to be sure that you are looking at Fidelity's IRA agreements, you can
find them at:
http://personal.fidelity.com/accounts/pdf/sep_supplemental.pdf (1.9M)
The description of taxes upon distribution from Roth IRAs is on pdf p. 12
("If distributions do not met the requirements for qualified distributions,
they will be includible in income to the extent ...") Pretty dense
legalese, at least to me. The description of taxes upon distribution from
traditional IRAs is on pdf p. 22, under "Distributions", and seems even more
dense.
Perhaps the best source of information on IRA taxation is IRS Publication
590; see sections in chapters 1 and 2 entitled "Are Distributions Taxable?"
(Taxes on IRAs are set by the government, not by the IRA custodian
(Fidelity)).
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p590.pdf (1.4M)
> Fees: Fidelity mutual funds, and all other mutual funds, charge
> accounts an annual fee to manage the fund, and sometimes, to pay sales
> expenses.
Fidelity IRAs are usually held in a brokerage account that allow one to own
not only Fidelity funds, but funds of other families, stocks, bonds, etc.
Buying and selling these securities are subject to Fidelity's usual
brokerage fees, which can be found in the Fidelity IRA package given above,
on pdf pp. 32-36 (Brokerage Commission and Fee Schedule). If you own funds,
then you'll also pay the fund fees, as Dave described.
In short, fees include IRA fees (generally none at Fidelity), brokerage fees
(for trading some non-Fidelity funds and for stocks/bonds), and fees charged
by the funds themselves. Taxes are set by the government and don't depend
on where you hold your IRA (so you don't need to stick to Fidelity's docs to
find out about IRA taxes).
Mark Freeland
BnetOnewsX@sbcglobal.net
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Posted by on March 20, 2008, 12:36 pm
Thanks for the advice, it has helped. Sorry for the confusion.
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