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Financial planners The Henchman 01-02-2007
Posted by kastnna on January 2, 2007, 3:58 pm

Don wrote:

> In the area where I live, the number of financial planners advertising their
> services in the local papers rises and falls along with the stock market
> itself. Many get into the action when the money is flowing freely and get
> out when investors become scarce. For an inexperienced person, this pattern
> should raise questions as to where the advice is going to be at the times it
> is most needed.

Interestingly, my firm draws in more investors when the market is
falling. Many people think they are investing geniuses when the market
is climbing and every stock out there is doing well (i.e. internet
startups before 2000). Its only after the crash that people realize
what their lack of investment knowledge has cost them.

We gain fewer clients when they are making 20% on their own. Its when
they lost 50% and we only lost 10% that they come pounding on the door.
But that's just our personal experience, not a difinitive answer to the
OP.


____
"Everybody talks about returns, but its the risk that will break ya."


Posted by Don on January 2, 2007, 4:35 pm

> Interestingly, my firm draws in more investors when the market is
> falling. Many people think they are investing geniuses when the market
> is climbing and every stock out there is doing well (i.e. internet
> startups before 2000). Its only after the crash that people realize
> what their lack of investment knowledge has cost them.

That is interesting. Apparently your firm is stable and stays in business
through good times and bad. One thing special about the area where I live is
the relatively large percentage of retired seniors in the population. When
the market is climbing, more fly-by-night firms seem to be around offering
advice, but when the market crashes fear sets in, and the seniors tend to
move to conservative investments.


Posted by Elle on January 2, 2007, 5:13 pm
> "Everybody talks about returns, but its the risk that will
> break ya."

Is that your firm's motto? It's very good.


Posted by The Henchman on January 3, 2007, 4:59 am

>
> Don wrote:
>
>> In the area where I live, the number of financial planners advertising
>> their
>> services in the local papers rises and falls along with the stock market
>> itself. Many get into the action when the money is flowing freely and get
>> out when investors become scarce. For an inexperienced person, this
>> pattern
>> should raise questions as to where the advice is going to be at the times
>> it
>> is most needed.
>
> Interestingly, my firm draws in more investors when the market is
> falling. Many people think they are investing geniuses when the market
> is climbing and every stock out there is doing well (i.e. internet
> startups before 2000). Its only after the crash that people realize
> what their lack of investment knowledge has cost them.

That's what I thought about good planners. After oil prices tanked in April
or may here in Canada too many silly people who invested at the high
panicked and went running to planners. I was visiting mine over income tax
discussions and he mentioned he was busy cause individual investors lost
alot of money in resources in the spring. Apparently he was relieved I had
complicated tax problems instead of lost money in foolish market hype.

I do give a portion of my income to a financial planner each and every month
but only a portion. Unfortunately the person I picked is retiring due to
health reasons and I don't like his replacement.


Posted by Todd H. on January 2, 2007, 7:14 pm

> > no financial planner working on commission is really interested in
> > or educated to put the needs of the client first. The financial
> > incentive is to sell product, regardless of its appropriateness.
>
> Don't you think one could say the above about any profession
> or job?

No. Lots of professions certainly, but not all. Believe me, I've
spent a lot of time career planning such that I don't have to be in
the position of advocating crap my customers don't need just to make a
living.

The temptation for impropriety is built into commission based systems,
and I don't want to have to be worrying whether my advisor is
recommending something to me because it's good for me above all other
options 100%, or because 80% it's a pretty good fit for me, and 20%
it'll put food on his table.

I feel the same way about Realtors. Buyer's agency is a misnomer of
course because we all know that a buyer's agent doesn't get paid
unless you purchase something, and their return on their time is best
if they get you to buy sooner rather than later.

Mortgage brokers-- that's also commission based. The higher rate they
can get someone to accept, or the more junk fees they can sneak into
the respa, the more money they make. The ethical ones don't do this of
course, but the frequency of finding unethical ones is alarming.

Home inspectors and attorneys though, at least in teh real estate
process are the only ones I like, honestly because they get paid
whether I close on a given purchase or not, so they're most likely to
keep my interests at heart because there's no financial element
swaying them to do otherwise.

> Yet I think plenty of financial planners as well as others working
> for a living know they darn well better put the client first pretty
> often, if not always, else word will get around and they will lose
> business.

The smart and ethical ones do this, I think. They have teh "long
haul" model that says if you don't screw your customers they'll be
customers for life and you won't have to find new ones.

The churn and burn model is held by others though. "I can make
enough screwing clients that I can afford to find others, and the
dumb clients may never find out."

> In addition to your suggestion to seek a flat-fee planner, I
> like rick++'s suggestion: Open an account at a big and old
> brokerage or mutual fund company, like Fidelity, Vanguard,
> Wells Fargo et al., and the reps there will give a lot of
> good general guidance "free" (as long as you have an
> account) as well as direct clients to good tools. Note that
> the tools tend to be similar, which says something.

Good advice!


Anyone working on commission raises my suspicion level I guess is all
I'm saying, and that's why I choose to do my own investment decisions
right now, but I'm on the cusp of getting flat fee help looking at
where I am and what I may need to be doing differently.

Then again, it probably is no surprise I'm also a "changes his own oil
because the quick lube flunkies have managed to screw it up one too
many times" type, as well as an engineer. Engineers can't stand
dealing with anyone on commission!

Best Regards,
--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/


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