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Emergency fund questions from brand new investor... Afterwards Hilarity Ensued 12-08-2006
Posted by Afterwards Hilarity Ensued on December 8, 2006, 5:03 am
This question has come up a couple times the last few days and it's confused
me....

Here is my situation:

I live on 50% of my take home pay meaning I have 50% (this includes after
some luxuries and entertainment and some disposable splurging)

I have 0 debt. No credit card debts, no car loan, no school debts.

I do have a $20 000 line of credit that is at 9% interest If I wanted. I
have $8000 in available credit card credit that is 19.5% and a grace period
of 19 days. My balance owing on both the credit account and the credit
cards is $0.00

I have no kids no mortgage and rent and utilities are little less than 20%
of my take home pay.

I am 30 years of age so lets say retirement at 60 and home ownership at 35.

I am in Canada so health insurance is not as big as of a concern as it is in
the USA. We are covered for major illnesses and emergencies up here, as
least medical bill wise.

Now I have about 10 months living expenses saved in high interest savings
accounts. but since I am living on 50% of my income, this emergency fund
grows equally with my expenses.

Should I take ALL of my emergency fund and invest it and rely on my credit
as insurance for what it's and rebuild the emergency fund? I can use as my
investments as the emergency fund of sorts, as long I didn't pick losers.

With my current savings rate of 50% (which I don't see changing for another
year or more, knock on wood) I should be able to pay off debt quickly should
an emergency arise. Am I saving too much money in emergency funds? With my
income and expense status, my age, and retirement far off am I being too
conservative in keeping savings? I just started investing a few months ago
with a financial planner but I only give him about 40% of my monthly
savings. I still have 60% of my monthly savings to do my own investing.

One other thing I do not have parents or other family members to help me out
if something happens. I'd be on my own if a financial emergency came up.

I have no idea what to do with this emergency fund, how high or low to keep
it. It's earning 4.10% interest yearly, taxable at approx 30%. At what
point do you stop contributing to an emergency fund and jump into investing
towards your goals? I have researched a number of mutual funds and think I
have a possible portfolio I would like to work on. I have decided my risk
tolerance so I think I know what I can lose without crying...

Sincerely New Investor.... :)


Posted by jIM on December 8, 2006, 9:18 am

Afterwards Hilarity Ensued wrote:
> This question has come up a couple times the last few days and it's confused
> me....
>
> Here is my situation:
>
> I live on 50% of my take home pay meaning I have 50% (this includes after
> some luxuries and entertainment and some disposable splurging)
>
> I have 0 debt. No credit card debts, no car loan, no school debts.
>
> I do have a $20 000 line of credit that is at 9% interest If I wanted. I
> have $8000 in available credit card credit that is 19.5% and a grace period
> of 19 days. My balance owing on both the credit account and the credit
> cards is $0.00
>
> I have no kids no mortgage and rent and utilities are little less than 20%
> of my take home pay.
>
> I am 30 years of age so lets say retirement at 60 and home ownership at 35.
>
> I am in Canada so health insurance is not as big as of a concern as it is in
> the USA. We are covered for major illnesses and emergencies up here, as
> least medical bill wise.
>
> Now I have about 10 months living expenses saved in high interest savings
> accounts. but since I am living on 50% of my income, this emergency fund
> grows equally with my expenses.
>
> Should I take ALL of my emergency fund and invest it and rely on my credit
> as insurance for what it's and rebuild the emergency fund? I can use as my
> investments as the emergency fund of sorts, as long I didn't pick losers.
>
> With my current savings rate of 50% (which I don't see changing for another
> year or more, knock on wood) I should be able to pay off debt quickly should
> an emergency arise. Am I saving too much money in emergency funds? With my
> income and expense status, my age, and retirement far off am I being too
> conservative in keeping savings? I just started investing a few months ago
> with a financial planner but I only give him about 40% of my monthly
> savings. I still have 60% of my monthly savings to do my own investing.
>
> One other thing I do not have parents or other family members to help me out
> if something happens. I'd be on my own if a financial emergency came up.
>
> I have no idea what to do with this emergency fund, how high or low to keep
> it. It's earning 4.10% interest yearly, taxable at approx 30%. At what
> point do you stop contributing to an emergency fund and jump into investing
> towards your goals? I have researched a number of mutual funds and think I
> have a possible portfolio I would like to work on. I have decided my risk
> tolerance so I think I know what I can lose without crying...
>
> Sincerely New Investor.... :)

My suggestion is 2 months expenses in cash accounts.

How much would a house cost, and what would expected downpayment be?
The house down payment might be wise to have in cash as well- being
that this purchase is 5 years away.

I think 2 months expenses at minimum in cash is expected... as the
average comment from most responses you will get. Some might suggest 6
months expenses in cash. A few others might suggest no cash-invest it
all.


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Posted by Elle on December 8, 2006, 10:19 am
I agree with jIM, except I'd lean closer to 5 months to a
year in cash/laddered CDs/money markets. View this money as
kind of a surge tank for managing your financial affairs. I
think one sleeps better when one knows one can readily buy
some shares of xyz mutual fund should the market correct; or
can easily pay for a major car repair; can always pay the
monthly bills without having to juggle and wait for the next
paycheck; etc.

The thought of paying for these emergencies with a credit
card, and possibly having to pay the exorbitant interest
credit card companies charge, is abhorrent to me. Even that
9% interest line of credit is unattractive. Four percent or
so (albeit taxed at 30% in your case, you say) is IMO a
perfectly good return for a conservative portion of one's
portfolio today.

Ultimately, you have to identify your risk tolerance. I
won't condemn anyone for relying on their credit card for
their emergency fund. It's simply not what would let me
sleep at night. Besides, since I own stock positions in a
few banks, those who do pay monthly interest on their credit
card bills are paying for my ski lift tickets.

Your presentation of your financial situation was perfect,
BTW. Good to note that you are in Canada and so personal
health costs simply are not the huge concern, financially,
that it is in the U.S.


Posted by My interest on December 8, 2006, 11:02 am
I will keep some emergency cash in high-yield saving account. As a
compensation, I ususally won't by fixed income (e.g bond) in my
investment portfolio, i.e. I treat the saving account as the fixed
income party of my strategy.


Posted by John A. Weeks III on December 8, 2006, 11:28 am
wrote:

> I live on 50% of my take home pay meaning I have 50% (this includes after
> some luxuries and entertainment and some disposable splurging)
>
> I have 0 debt. No credit card debts, no car loan, no school debts.

> Should I take ALL of my emergency fund and invest it and rely on my credit
> as insurance for what it's and rebuild the emergency fund? I can use as my
> investments as the emergency fund of sorts, as long I didn't pick losers.

The deciding factor here is how long before you want to buy that house.
Investing means a long time horizon, at least 5 years. If you are
looking to buy this house within 5 years, then I would rename your
emergency fund to be your house downpayment fund. If the house is
more than 5 years out, then invest it all, and use your earning
power as your emergency fund. After all, that 50% of your salary
each month that you have available is larger than the emergency
fund that most people actually have.

-john-

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