CDs vs Online Savings Accounts

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CDs vs Online Savings Accounts joshbilsky 03-01-2008
Posted by on March 1, 2008, 7:38 pm
I currently have the majority of my savings in a Countrywide online
account earning 4.25% APY. Assuming the rate is comparable, what
advantage is there in investing in CDs vs one of these online
accounts? It would seem to me that one advantage of the online
account is that the money is liquid and not tied up for an extended
period of time. Obviously the advantage I can see to the CD is that
you can get locked in on a higher rate for a bit while the online
accounts can fluctuate and change on a daily basis. Am I missing
something here?

Thanks

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Posted by Elle on March 1, 2008, 9:05 pm
Are you sure this is the current interest rate at
Countrywide? And it is not some sort of short term
promotional rate? Because from my reading, 4.25% is on the
very high side for a money market account.

I imagine you are new to what interest rates have
historically done. Historically, the longer the maturity of
a fixed income product (such as a money market account, CD,
or bond), then the higher the yield.

But today (and the last few years) have been anomalous.
Often during this period the yield curve has inverted,
meaning that longer maturities have not always translated to
higher yields. An excellent, interactive graphic and
accompanying text make the point quickly at
http://www.smartmoney.com/onebond/index.cfm?story=yieldcurve
.

Also, I think one other anomaly is present: Countrywide is
offering superior rates compared to many "more reputable"
banks because it needs cash (subprime mortgage problems) and
possibly, I suspect, because it knows the public knows that
if it goes bankrupt, getting that FDIC insurance money may
involve a delay.

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Posted by on March 2, 2008, 7:23 am
> Are you sure this is the current interest rate at
> Countrywide? And it is not some sort of short term
> promotional rate? Because from my reading, 4.25% is on the
> very high side for a money market account.

Obviously the rate can change but at this time, it's 4.25% APY
https://bank.countrywide.com/CWBRates.aspx?tab=sl The rates were even
higher a few months ago at well over 5%. I've had my money in this
account for over a year at it's never been below 4% rate.

> I imagine you are new to what interest rates have
> historically done. Historically, the longer the maturity of
> a fixed income product (such as a money market account, CD,
> or bond), then the higher the yield.

I am aware of the inverted yield and that the high rates on money
market accounts are abnormally high right now and probably won't last
forever.

> Also, I think one other anomaly is present: Countrywide is
> offering superior rates compared to many "more reputable"
> banks because it needs cash (subprime mortgage problems) and
> possibly, I suspect, because it knows the public knows that
> if it goes bankrupt, getting that FDIC insurance money may
> involve a delay.

They were offering the higher rates well in advance of the cash flow
problems of the subprime mortgage crunch. They have always been in
the top tier yields on
http://bankrate.com/brm/rate/mmmf_highratehome.asp?params=US,416&product=35
Now you could also argue not to deal with a bank like Countrywide in
the event that they go under and having to deal with FDIC, but I
believe that's another topic.

I understand that these yields will probably go away eventually at
which time a CD would be a better investment. However, my question is
specifically targeted to the present. If I can get the same rate or
higher in an online savings account, with better access to my
investment to move around or even use if necessary, what benefit does
a CD have over it?

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Posted by Elle on March 2, 2008, 10:31 am
> I am aware of the inverted yield and that the high rates
> on money
> market accounts are abnormally high right now and probably
> won't last
> forever.

You're grossly out of touch. The Federal Reserve Board
lowered the benchmark interest rate significantly in the
last several weeks. This benchmark rate is essentially a
short term rate that is a large factor in determining how
banks set their own short term rates. Money market and CD
rates plummetted.

All rates were much higher a few months ago. Study more.

> If I can get the same rate or
> higher in an online savings account, with better access to
> my
> investment to move around or even use if necessary, what
> benefit does
> a CD have over it?

"Only" that which you already identified: Locking in a rate
with a CD for at least the time the CD has to maturity.

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Posted by on March 2, 2008, 7:09 pm
> You're grossly out of touch. The Federal Reserve Board
> lowered the benchmark interest rate significantly in the
> last several weeks. This benchmark rate is essentially a
> short term rate that is a large factor in determining how
> banks set their own short term rates. Money market and CD
> rates plummetted.
>
> All rates were much higher a few months ago. Study more.

If you consider since September of 2006 as a few months, then sure.
My rate back then was 5.25% and has been steady up through December of
2007. Obviously it's much lower now but still in line with a
comparable CD. I prefaced my original question by saying that locking
in the rate was an advantage of the CD. Thanks for your insight.

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